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kleinbl00  ·  3156 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Todays's kids are less violent and use fewer drugs than their parents.





user-inactivated  ·  3156 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is that the one from Pinker's revised book?

kleinbl00  ·  3156 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I doubt it. I had a vague idea what I was looking for (violence per capita over time) and found one that went back far enough. Most sources will point out that warfare has gone down a bunch since 1945 but nobody has any good data before that. This is from something called "the violent death project" which sounds metal as fuck but probably isn't.

user-inactivated  ·  3156 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One of the criticisms Pinker got from the first run of Better Angels of Our Nature was his classification of the Rwanda genocide as a 'minor' event that 'only' killed 500,000 people. This was before the death counts in Iraq hit the 100,000 and above levels. Even with those two wars, going only by body count we have been almost three generations without a major war. WWI wiped out a whole generation of men in Europe, WWII and its related war crimes, genocides, mass murders and battle deaths wiped out another whole generation 30 years later. The Smithsonian Mag has a chart, but it looks like they are under-counting Iraq deaths which is to be expected considering the source.

The big thing that is making the world safer, in my opinion, is that the 'wars' are more low-key, precision munitions, and guerrilla wars where thousands of non-combatants are rounded up and killed or who die in the big epic battle fronts. I am fairly confident that Iraq is going to be one of the last, old school, "mass troops on the border and roll to the capital" wars. The specter floating over the heads of the guys who want to fight these wars is nuclear weapons. That and a war of that scale is bad for trade and business. I'm convinced that China and the US won't fight a war for at least a generation; same thing the US and Russia. There will be small-scale stuff like Crimea and Ukraine, but no Kursks or Stalingrads.

As an aside, yea, the "Violent Death Project" would be a kick ass metal band name. The only thing close I could find was Death Project which, as a sound mixer, will hurt you to listen to.

kleinbl00  ·  3156 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was with you on the "diminishing war" part, I just think it's been since 1945, not for the past several hundred years.

This link may be of interest.