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user-inactivated  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What The Stunning Bernie Sanders Win In Michigan Means | FiveThirtyEight

538 isn't using pseudoscience, obviously. This is probably their biggest miss ever (b_b or someone may be able to weigh in) but statistics is a real field. Unlike psychology. Anyway, it may be time to pay attention to the primaries.

I'm still tagging this #sillyseason.





War  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm pretty sure the statistical fuck up came from the fact that Michigan is an open primary and Sanders got a disgusting amount of independent voters in michigan. I'm not 100% sure (my knowledge on pollsters is limited to interactions with a few professionals), but they probably didn't account for the independent numbers.

mk  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wonder how many of the GOP voters decided they just didn't want HRC, and thus voted for Bernie. It's interesting that he not only won very liberal counties, such as Washtenaw, but he swept the most rural and conservative counties. Either that, or rural Dems prefer the Bern.

jleopold  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    rural Dems prefer the Bern.

I don't think thtis would be much of a surprise really. Especially now, after he swept Nebraska and Kansas. His policies definitely cater towards the lower class, but he's had issues connecting with minorities. So, to me, it makes sense that rural voters, being generally of lower income levels than urban voters, would go for Sanders over Clinton.

mk  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's true. He's also more pro-gun ownership than Hillary. That's a pretty sensitive issue in rural Michigan.

oyster  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If they are talking about polls when they say pseudoscience they aren't really wrong. Polls are garbage because who even takes part in them anymore ? Statistics are a lot more than polls thank fuck.

kleinbl00  ·  3181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Still, election statistics comes from polls. Silver's brilliance was that he didn't take polls at face value, he measured how they were measuring, as well as what, in order to turn them into psychohistory a la Hari Seldon. If you haven't read his book, you should.