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TheCookieMonster  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why I Just Dropped The Harassment Charges The Man Who Started GamerGate.

> I think this is what happens when socialization is dictated by people with CS degrees that never took psych 101.

Social networks initially worked well, and have changed society so much that I don't think psych 101 students from an era before they existed would have fared any better at predicting design outcomes. (and surely psych grads are used now)

But putting that asside, do you know of attempts to design social networks that won't cause harm? There's no anonymity on my Facebook feed for example, but it still seems to be doing bad things to many of my friends. Every social network seems to create its own unique kind of dysfunction - different for each platform.

You seem confident better social networks will happen, is anything happening now?





kleinbl00  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But putting that asside, do you know of attempts to design social networks that won't cause harm?

Yes. Unfortunately Diaspora was just too hard; Google Plus stole a lot of their ideas, they were developing server-side rather than client-side and they weren't nearly monetized enough. This is the problem: a social network should be a public works project, not a private group, because if you attempt to monetize them they turn evil.

Like rd95 I think the attempts made here at Hubski are a step in the right direction, but it'll never be Facebook (or anything like it). At best it'll be a kinder, gentler Reddit which is the best possible thing. There are needs for anonymous networks and named networks and Hubski is the best design I've seen for anonymous.

That Facebook has become "your parents' social network" says a lot about the failings of monetization and anonymity. The rise of SnapChat says more (at least, in principle - in fact, they're lying about anonymity and forgetability). Users WANT a social network that exists for them, not for Zuckerberg and his advertisers, but there haven't been any viable alternatives yet.

Another basic problem is that social network design, right now, is all about engagement, not fulfillment. How many times you come back to the site and mash "like" buttons vs. finding out what your friends are up to. Bragging about your triumphs and burying your failures rather than presenting your honest self to the people that matter to you. These qualities can exist on a social network, but there's no business model that supports a social graph that you interact with as little as possible.

It'll happen, though. Kids are turning away from the invasive, kudzu-like social networks that erupted in the '00s. They just don't have a viable alternative right now.

user-inactivated  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Diaspora still exists, is an active project, and has users. Its problem isn't getting developers and pod operators, it's that people use social networks because their friends are there, and unless your friends are tinfoil hats and hackers your friends are probably not using Diaspora. And I'm not sure your friends have any reason to trust J. Random Hacker more than Facebook. I do, because that's my community, but if all you know about it is Silicon Valley and Salon articles about "brogrammers" I could see not having much confidence.

kleinbl00  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Entirely too true. However, there was a time when Diaspora was the shining white hope of all these Facebook oppressed because it was magically going to give them a Facebooky place that wasn't Facebooky. Then Google did the same thing and nobody left.

I think Facebook has finally figured out that their continued success depends on locking in their users. I think Messenger was their play. And I think it will work.

user-inactivated  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I dunno. Facebook stopped being cool when your mother started using it. I think having a Facebook account is going to be the expected thing for a long time, but that doesn't mean it will remain the center of anyone's Internet world. I still have AOL Instant Messenger and ICQ accounts because I have a few friends I talk to regularly who still do and having Pidgin set up to speak ICQ and AIM is easier than asking them all to join the 21st century. Doesn't change that ICQ would be dead if not for the porn industry and how AIM continues to exist is a complete mystery.

user-inactivated  ·  3204 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    You seem confident better social networks will happen, is anything happening now?

Well, maybe it's because of the scale, but even with a few occasional hiccups Hubski seems to work relatively decently.