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thenewgreen  ·  4560 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The inconvenient history of Silicon Valley: Uncle Sam's most successful Startup
Serious question: What are the things that you think government is the best solution for, outside of defense?




mk  ·  4559 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Off the top of my head: Law enforcement, fire protection, park services, primary education, fundamental healthcare, the judicial system, regulatory agencies (environmental, financial, health care, energy production, food safety, product safety), the penal system, voting services, and unemployment services.

I'm sure I can think of plenty more, but the litmus test is basically: "anywhere that a profit motive will pervert a desired neutrality and/or equality of service or its delivery". That's basically the purpose of government, after all. It provides the necessary services for the foundation of a civil society.

lessismore  ·  4560 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Just of the top of my head, infrastructure. The interstate highways improved the quality of life for the citizens, was a key economic growth driver, improved travel safety, and I a certain that I am missing many others.
thenewgreen  ·  4560 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I don't disagree with any of those, they are the ones that came quickly to mind for me too. I'm off to bed but I'll think on this more.
CosmicSamurai  ·  4559 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I've only been on Hubski a few weeks, but I'm amazed to find how respectful its constituents are (i.e. you guys). The sarcasm on other mediums (especially Reddit) is appalling.

Anyway, on the topic itself, just imagine if governments were not corrupt...we have already come pretty far if you think of the massive infrastructure and systems (education, healthcare etc) governments have already implemented. None of it is perfect, but half of it wouldn't have happened if the private sector was just left to do its own thing. The private sector would simply milk everything dry if they are left to their own devices. The private sector has its role to play but they can't be left to their own devices with the expectation that market forces will serendipitously make everything balance perfectly.

mk  ·  4559 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Welcome CS. Good to have you.

It does seem odd to me that at this day and age we still have ideological 'government vs. free market' arguments. That's like arguing 'screwdriver vs. hammer'. The best tool is the one that best fits the job. We'd be much better off if instead, we argued about how to best mitigate the problems of each, and to best use the advantages of each.

IMHO Libertarians and Communists are very similar: they think too much about the road, and not enough about the destination.

thenewgreen  ·  4559 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Glad you found us CosmicSamurai!

    just imagine if governments were not corrupt
-I always have to remind myself that government is really just a collection of human beings and human beings by their very nature are less than perfect. Therefore, it's nonsensical for me to expect that our government be better than I am. That said, consider the type of people that public service (on the national level) attracts? The scrutiny a candidate must go through, the amount of money they need to raise and the nastiness with which they must attack their opponent essentially weeds out any human beings of formidable character. I sure as hell wouldn't want to run for office.

I think anyone that believes that the private sector or the government alone are the answer to our woes are drinking some pretty strong partisan Kool-aid. Like most things, a viable system requires a balanced approach. Why should it be as simple as this or that? We are a complex species and have complex societies that require complex governance. What I do know is that being "anti government" or "anti-private sector" is the wrong approach. We need both. Oh, and lessismore, I couldn't think of any aside from infrastructure and military. I know that without government assistance a TON of research wouldn't be possible because it's immediate profitability isn't evident. Beyond that, I've got nothing... mk, thoughts?

b_b  ·  4559 days ago  ·  link  ·  
There's a good community here. As more people join, I think they kind of realize that no one on here is interested in petty fights, and it makes for a better conversation all together. Hopefully the community will get bigger, but this aspect will stay the same.