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coffeesp00ns  ·  3271 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The American middle class is no longer the majority

I mean, I don't disagree with you, but

    That automobile which was once a rare luxury item (and before that an impossible fantasy) is now "merely" a safe, efficient, comfortable, and relatively affordable machine that enables you to get to your climate controlled, 9-to-5 workplace without breaking a sweat.

This changed when we changed the way we built our cities (as well as their outlying areas) so that it became necessary to own a vehicle to access many basic services. You need to consider real life applications.

I live in a place where, to get to my 6 am start prep cook and baking job I'd have to walk two hours, and there is no such thing as bus service. add another two hours to walk home and I've spent 10 hours of my day at work and in travel to and from it. Compare that to 6 hrs of work plus 15 total minutes of travel (I live on a rural highway, speed limit 80Km/50mph), having a car means that I can do things like Teach music lessons after work to supplement my income.

Owning a car also means that I can get into the closest major city for my appointments with my Hormone Doctor, or crazy thought, actually be able to go to my local doctor without taking a day off of work because of travel time (I'd estimate 2.5 to 3 hours to get to the doctor from where I live). Even if the Greyhound DID stop off the highway in the town I live (it doesn't), I'd still have to take two days off of work for the appointment and travel .

I'd love to live in the city and have access to all these things via bus service and walking - but I can't afford it. I currently live in my parents' basement in Rural Ontario, trying to save money to go back to school. I'm not even that rural. I'm an hour outside of a major city. If I lived further out, it would be even worse.

But even living in cities can pose problems, when they're designed with cars in mind. I lived in Akron, OH, for my MMus, and while i was a 3 minute walk from the hospital, I was an hour round trip walk from the closest grocery store - Busses existed, but were infrequent to the point that they were neglible.

Suddenly, all of the things you do in a day that take little to no time become all-time consuming when you have to walk everywhere - or even bike everywhere. add and hour to groceries, add an hour to travel to and from university, oops, need to pick up some medication, add an hour to get to the pharmacy. the list goes on. Instead, with a car, it can be 20 minutes round trip to and from university, 15 minutes round trip to and from the grocery store, with a stop on the way home to the pharmacy because seeing the sign on the road reminded me that I needed to pick up my prescription.

You're right, cars started as a luxury, and in many ways still are, but they're also a necessity to anyone who lives outside of a major city and wants to even partially take part in "society".

At this point I'm kind of rereading this and seeing you're more inferring that we should be... i guess more in awe of what defines a lower or middle class existence, but I guess it's hard to be in awe of things you need to function.





wasoxygen  ·  3259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    we should be... i guess more in awe of what defines a lower or middle class existence, but I guess it's hard to be in awe of things you need to function

Yes, your description is evocative and shows that we haven't arrived at a perfect, carefree society. I say that the car is an "option" for you in the sense that you at some point made a decision that life is better -- less difficult -- with a car than it would be without. In the past you would not have had this option because automobiles did not exist. We might have discussed the inconvenience of keeping a horse shoed and fed and healthy, and the problem of feces piling up in the streets.

You may be relatively less well-off than many other people today, but you are absolutely better off than almost everyone in the distant past, when many people did not even survive childhood.

Of course, it's natural to compare ourselves to more fortunate contemporaries, and the resulting aspiration probably drives a lot of the progress in society. I just find it curious that there seems to be a determination to ignore or even deny this forward progress, and focus on pessimistic measures of human well-being.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    In the past you would not have had this option because automobiles did not exist.

TRUE. But in fairness, I would likely have not been working as far away from my home as I am now. the small road crossing I leave near would have had a general store, and a church (which still stands, actually - they use it for weddings, but need to bring a generator for power), etc. I wouldn't have been working in the next town over, or 15 km down the road.

Now, there's no nearby general store, no post office, and fewer farms, less industry. It's because our society has evolved to take the car into account. People drive into the city for work, people drive to the big box store in the next town, or to the grocery store in the other town that has better prices.

Because we've been doing that for 40 years and more, smaller local businesses have disappeared, and if one tried to live without a car in a town like mine now, like one would have 100 years ago, it would be possible of course, but the idea of "leisure time" would become a memory, eaten up by walking 20 minutes to the grocery store, then 20 minutes back, or walking an hour to work, and an hour back. every errand adds more time taken, and you can only do so much at a time because you don't have any way to carry a large amount of stuff.

Then also do that in -40 with with a headwind a few times each winter, or in a few feet of snow, or on a +35 C day, or in pouring rain. Modern life does not stop for those things (neither did life 100 years ago, but you probably weren't going as far then)

What i'm saying is that it's possible to live without a car outside of major cities, but it is, as a general rule, not realistic.

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anyways as I said in my first post, I do agree with you that most of what we consider "necessities" today are gravy on top of a life that our great-grandparents would have been gobsmacked at. Cars, however, are not one of those. The advent of the affordable car for everyone changed our society in an irrevocable way - It created suburbs, it created freeways, it changed almost everything.