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alpha0  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Great Books that aren't all that great.
> I think there is something about trying to define what is great literature that doesn't sit right with me

I have a simple formula: Great literature shapes language, thought, and feelings. So Bible is great literature, & pretty much anything by William Shakespeare.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13320268/Neologisms-by-Shakespeare

> Joyce

(We just have to wait and see if James Joyce really did write the "new Bible" (per Jung)).





mk  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think A Clockwork Orange qualifies. :) Damn good book, btw.
alpha0  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
That is an amazing book.
mk  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yes, it really is inspired. I only read it about two years ago. Of course I had seen the movie long before. Such a work.
alpha0  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Have seen that film at least 20 times. First few times around (not having read the book) I thought the world of Kubrick; the language is simply phenomenal and gives every appearance of (organic) plausibility. Then finally read the book and it became clear that for once Kubrick was actually riding someone else's fast moving coattails. That is a must read book.

(Speaking of the film: have you noted that there a just a 2 'individual' characters in that film and the rest are 'repeated patterns'?)

mk  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>(Speaking of the film: have you noted that there a just a 2 'individual' characters in that film and the rest are 'repeated patterns'?)

No. Alex and P.R. Deltoid?

alpha0  ·  4847 days ago  ·  link  ·  
No, deltoid is a clone of his dad. Writer looks like "dear lovely Ludwig Van's" bust. It's the priest.
caio  ·  4846 days ago  ·  link  ·  
"Great literature shapes language, thought, and feelings." In a general way or in a personal one?
alpha0  ·  4846 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Well, as a cultural product its primary impact is the host culture (and/or invaded or related nations). For example, every time I sit in cab in NYC and the driver is Pakistani or Afghani, they start quoting Persian literature for me. It is quite embarrassing for me since they know their Saadi far better than the native son :( (Apparently Persian Literature is on the curriculum in Central Asia.)

These cultural product provide concise pedagogical content that the larger society absorbs and then, in a "personal" way, each individual applies in (both) his or her internal reflection and external expression. There is pretty much a Persian proverb for every little thing that can happen and most come from "literature" of our greats. Of course, for the serious reader, each of these compact literary forms are gateways to the deeper (occult) content matter.

http://www.pantherwebworks.com/I_Ching/bk1h11-20.html#16