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Kajman  ·  3372 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: If You're Lying About Being a Navy SEAL, This Man Will Catch You

How great an organization is the military if its members are in constant alert of keyboard warriors stealing their 'valor?'

And where did all this elusive valor come from, anyway? Was it when the U.S lost Vietnam? When we let the Russians die by the millions before swooping in and claiming glory in WW2? When we drove around the desert for years after ousting another regime to get shot at and deliver water to people that would get killed for taking it?

The article may be cheeky and the man running the place seems like a fine fellow, but this whole military dogma is truly lost on me, if the above rant didn't make such clear.





kleinbl00  ·  3372 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The culture war of the '60s caused a "lost generation" in the '70s which shaped itself into a backlash in the '80s and an overcompensation in the '90s followed by an overreach on the '00s and the start of a pendulum swing back in the '10s.

"I don't know why I should support the troops" was mf'n treason ten years ago, boah.

user-inactivated  ·  3372 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I dunno how far the pendulum has swung, tho. You can still get castrated for it.

WanderingEng  ·  3372 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    where did all this elusive valor come from, anyway?

Mostly from those yellow magnets (not stickers) that baby boomers put on their cars when we invaded Iraq in 2003. I served but never deployed. I think what bothers people like Shipley isn't that the public thinks these people are heroes but that they're pretending to be part of a family you can only be a part of through shared experiences.

am_Unition  ·  3372 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No one ever figured out what "support the troops" meant.

user-inactivated  ·  3369 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One member does not mean every member is worried about that. It's an ego issue for one person, unrelated to the military. He would be that way regardless of his accomplishments.

.. "elusive valor" .. "swooping in and claiming glory in WW2" .. "dogma" ..

I'm not sure you have any real comprehension of history or the words you are using in your rant. I'm not defending the US's militaristic attitude, but your rant reeks of misplaced angst and ignorance.

Again, I completely disagree with America's World Police ideology, but your hatred/resentment of everything military-related says a lot about you. Just like anyone who gets upset when people mention a bond formed through football or a fraternity. There's a lot to be said about special bonds that can only be formed through shared experience.

If you want to try to understand this a little better, from non-biased sources that absolutely do not glorify war, you should read Band of Brothers by Stephen E. Ambrose.

user-inactivated  ·  3369 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    a bond formed through football or a fraternity

I mean you were already kinda being an asshat, but you completely lost me there.

Ah yes, FRATERNIES! What a place of special bonding, based entirely on a rapey, racist culture propogated by bourgeois white guys across the nation.

SO SPECIAL.

...And I'm not even gonna get started with the whole football thing.

Look, if you're gonna get butthurt, at least pick some shit that hasn't hurt people across the country over and over and over again. Doesn't really help your military defense, lol.

user-inactivated  ·  3369 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wow, the Reddit is strong in this one. I really like that you discredit everything that you have zero experience because it doesn't fit your existing world view. Way to completely ignore discussion of the issue through ad hominem and cognitive bias.

user-inactivated  ·  3369 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    zero experience

You're right, I've never had unpleasant encounters with fraternities. This is just a lack of fit with my existing world view. I mean, you would know, right? You were there, yeah? I was one of many trying to get them to stop having a "ghetto party" on Halloween. Fun protest. Best part was where some guy in a tank-top spit at me. That wasn't you, was it?

But you're right. You have experience with both of these things (you were probably tank-top guy), I guess, so that makes you right.

Also, please stop naming fallacies like they're trap-cards from Yu-Gi-Oh. I mean, here ya go since you get such a hard on for them. Cognitive bias is just a term you learned in Psych 1000. Just claiming that I have that bias doesn't mean that:

A: you don't have it

and/or

B: you know what you're talking about.

Gonna go with "and" in this instance.

I can just as easily claim that you have the same cognitive bias but on a different basis.

Congratulations, now we've gotten nowhere.

user-inactivated  ·  3369 days ago  ·  link  ·