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user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why is Modern Art so Bad?

I don't know, I've seen a lot of modern art in museums, galleries, online, that floored me. Vivid, expressive, immense, stunning. And then there's the acrylic toaster sitting in an empty room, which I just don't get. I think what might possibly be involved is that there are different art movements, different phases of popularity. Much like music. For a period of ten years or so, all the clubs I went to that used to play what I considered good dance music started playing hip hop, and then nothing but hip hop. I got so frustrated, why are you doing this, why is this godawful music infiltrating everything I hold dear? At the same time quite aware hip hop isn't necessarily bad, per se; it's just not something I'm into. It was hard not to take personally, though, because suddenly, I couldn't go to these clubs anymore; it's only been in the past year that I've slowly been noticing hip hop losing its hold.

I'm not sure why this can be such a divisive topic, intellectually, it confuses me. I mean, being an artist myself, I take art seriously, I have definite opinions about what is and is not art, but also I realize: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What's arts and crafts to me is art to another. I've had many people show me their artwork, asking me for their opinion, and I have to heavily censor myself: they don't need excoriation from me, they instead need support.

I remember being part of an art group and attending galleries where someone would put some art piece up, and spend an hour talking about why it was art. And I just stood in the corner, quietly, thinking, if it's good art, you don't need to explain it.

And then there was the time at MOMA where in an effort to get away from the crowd, I stood in a partially walled off section off to the side, next to a stairwell, and a hole in the ceiling opening up to sky above me. I stood there, looking up, entranced, the sky was beautiful, sunlight pouring through the ceiling, illuminating the white walls. People from time to time would come over, thinking, wow, this must be a good art piece, they'd look around, see nothing, and leave. Absolutely cracked me up.





RicePaddy  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair points, particularly about the definition of art itself being subjective. tacocat made the point

    Ballroom dance and ice skating are performance, art creates an object and if you create the object you intended to then you've succeeded.

Which I would disagree with wholeheartedly. Music, dance, and even figure skating are art to me. Obviously, he doesn't think so, but that's fine. Both views are equally valid, so long as we don't go to war over it.

Anyway, I was hoping to get a response with some sort of education/formal experience with visual art, and you seem like the guy to ask. Can you give me an example of some pieces of modern art that really struck you? My only practical experience with modern art are from Irish artists in Irish art galleries, which is a very small sample.

user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Alright. Did some searching, and found a bunch of examples of modern art that I think have good artistic merit. I'm not saying these are "stand the test of time" type pieces of art, but instead: modern artists aren't all bad. Given I found so many examples, I'm going to break apart what I found into 4 different comments

    youtube

    deviantart

    street art

    moma

because to put it all in one comment would be way too much.

user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here are youtube videos of mixed media installations, mixed media performances, performance art and related.

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user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here's art I found on DeviantArt. I tried to find artists on the site who showed actual artistic talent, and chose examples so I can show there are artists alive currently just starting out or currently practicing who have good skills.

http://asahisuperdry.deviantart.com/art/Fire-monk-554153481

http://nataliadrepina.deviantart.com/art/Black-birds-give-me-your-wings-554197460

http://zancan.deviantart.com/art/Cinnamon-Breath-12527747

http://ayamefataru.deviantart.com/art/SuFfiKaytIon-14041305

http://agnes-cecile.deviantart.com/art/drawing-restraint-186689303

http://agnes-cecile.deviantart.com/art/antimonocromatismo-II-182419523

http://gunnerromantic.deviantart.com/art/eden-is-not-enough-fin-42245780

http://gunnerromantic.deviantart.com/art/Life-Skirt-86962426

http://marknewman.deviantart.com/art/Gymnast-almost-fin-2-120880351

http://fore-f.deviantart.com/art/TimeLineDetail-121627278

http://fore-f.deviantart.com/art/Octo-61909720

http://fore-f.deviantart.com/art/BurnPiece-121626504

http://fore-f.deviantart.com/art/samurai-Mustard-123804495

http://fore-f.deviantart.com/art/Temperature-Up-100500461

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Wieskirche-117794921

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Royal-Route-Warsaw-156527382

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Winter-days-1-146751009

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Garbus-148276593

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/City-Hall-Praha-117581937

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Waterscape-01-72611529

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Casa-Batllo-64077628

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/Sunny-Vienna-69223247

http://micorl.deviantart.com/art/akwarelka80-134243371

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Santa-Maria-Nascente-50151548

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Hofburg-74695924

http://alifann.deviantart.com/art/Memories-smell-like-flowers-193804634

http://alifann.deviantart.com/art/Ceramic-Skin-361305711

http://alifann.deviantart.com/art/Struggle-II-151268025

http://alifann.deviantart.com/art/Fairytales-of-life-and-death-157284590

http://alifann.deviantart.com/art/oil-on-canvas10-88527057

http://takmaj.deviantart.com/art/Glyptotek-437443716

http://takmaj.deviantart.com/art/Vietnamese-Fishermen-56x76cm-516719590

http://creaturesfromel.deviantart.com/art/Celtic-Wild-Boar-with-Forest-291348259

user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  
RicePaddy  ·  3390 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whoa! Thanks for this list! Luckily it's a rainy morning here so I'll be able to sift through all of it. Summoning nathank in case he hasn't seen it.

user-inactivated  ·  3390 days ago  ·  link  ·  

(bowing and doffing my cap) The pleasure was mine.

Gods, how I wish it were raining where I'm living.

nathank  ·  3390 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wow, thanks for putting all of those together!

user-inactivated  ·  3390 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Given no one replied for quite some time, I was beginning to worry I had put forth too much content to the point where I overwhelmed/disinterested people. So, thanks. =)

nathank  ·  3390 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They were great! It just took some time to get through them and then work got in the way of replying.

user-inactivated  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As for your first paragraph, I think anything can be art. Tying my shoes, wind blowing through trees on my outside walks, any sort of light falling on any sort of every day object in just the right way... I'll stop, amazed and say to myself: wow.

As for your second paragraph: first day Aunt Flow has visited me (yes, strange thing for a guy to say). My mind is mush, and I am leaving in near future for caffeine, unhealthy amounts of sugar, and hamburger meat. Is it alright if I get back to you about this til mind is working clearly again?

For right now, only thing I can think to say is abstract expressionism, futurism, de kooning, paul klee et al, a tiny bit of basquiat, some amazing street art, some kick ass performance art, but that was mostly pre 21st century, and may not be modern enough for you. I'll look, however, and try to find more present-day examples.

RicePaddy  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No problem! I'll keep an eye on the thread, looking forward to the reply!

nathank  ·  3391 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I second the request for "some pieces of modern art that really struck you." I've tried many times in several museums and always feel like I wasted my time and money.