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tla  ·  3396 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What freedom of speech isn't

    I would just like to point out that "following" grendel does not mean "agreeing" with grendel.

Have you convinced grendel of this yet?

    even if it means rejecting 85% of it as sexist, racist or otherwise worthless smut

I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe you're doing that since you follow him. And since as I understand it, following outranks filtering, I get to look for him in follow lists before I decide to follow anyone.

    he should probably feel embarrassed by it

He isn't and won't be. He'll go even further past the line next time. He continually escalates his abhorrent behavior.

    I'm not sure why you guys keep taking his bait there.

Because he's making me reluctant to tell people about hubski.





crafty  ·  3396 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Have you convinced grendel of this yet?

Why do I need to convince grendel of anything? Hubski is not like reddit, we are all individuals here, not part of some imagined grendel-hivemind. It's something I struggled with when transitioning from reddit as well; if you read or post in a particular subreddit, you're engaging with this amorphous blob of pseudonymous users in a giant peanut gallery, which makes it hard to really pick out and get to know individuals; reddit-culture is like chan-culture, it thrives on that dissociative anonymity. Sure, you can treat people like subreddits, but you're really doing the hubski model a big disservice if you do.

    I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe you're doing that since you follow him. And since as I understand it, following outranks filtering, I get to look for him in follow lists before I decide to follow anyone.

You're free to follow, unfollow, block, filter, whatever, for any reason you want. Curate your feed; don't be lazy then complain about about the community because of your own laziness. I'm pretty sure if you have someone blocked, even if someone you follow shares their post, it will not appear in your feed. I know I have particular tags blocked, and even if the people I follow post and share content with that tag, it does not appear for me.

    He isn't and won't be. He'll go even further past the line next time. He continually escalates his abhorrent behavior.

So? He acts a fool with idle shitstirring and drama-starting; if he does it repeatedly and it pollutes my feed enough, I'll unfollow or filter him, like you should have done a long time ago. If you do already have him blocked/filtered, then I'm inclined to say it's a bug that you're still seeing his content. Trolling posts like that thrive on a big breathless reaction like this.

    Because he's making me reluctant to tell people about hubski.

QQ. There's a person on the internet who's an asshole! I don't recommend the internet to friends.

tla  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Why do I need to convince grendel of anything?

So he'll fuck off and stop shitting the place up. He isn't going away because he thinks his echo chamber of followers love him. He loves the echo chamber he's building. He thinks he's accepted because people in his echo chamber of followers and people who he hasn't muted tell him he is. Literally. And then they go outside his echo chamber all inspired by him to protest feminism and black lives matter and explain how white man is the most oppressed.

Containing a toxic spill isn't possible if people walk through it.

This is a social problem with a social solution. But we are attempting to rely on technology instead, and it's backfiring.

    like you should have done a long time ago

We can filter? Wow why didn't anyone say so... oh, wait, they did. I did filter him. I've said so before. Repeatedly.

He's been filtered since the day I made a hubski account. But I still can't escape his shit.

He keeps showing up ANYWAY.

("Hmm, I don't remember that thread" click "FFFFUUUUUUUUU").

He keeps showing up when I look at people's user pages and look at their recent comments and end up on his threads; OP doesn't get listed in "crafty · link · parent · +! · post: What freedom of speech isn't"

He keeps showing up on community when people telling him off gets upvoted. OP also doesn't show up in "kleinbl00 · link · parent · +! · post: It's a White Man's Internet"

He keeps getting in my way because all y'all keep giving him the attention he's trolling for.

The latest one I didn't even have to click on the thread, I just went to the community page. The title was enough. And I also already knew what it was about because I saw the triggering conversation in my chatter.

Don't. Blame. ME.

Why should I have to not click on links on hubski because it might be a stealth blocked person? It's kinda defeating the point, yo.

I keep mentioning all this. I don't blame the hubski team for not keeping up, there are a lot of issues to deal with. I mentioned it all back a month ago and was told to just wait it out. I've mentioned it since. I mentioned it the other day. I get told it can't be fixed if I don't mention it. Sure when I do mention it I get thanked and that's nice. But I also get shit piled on me in the most amazingly condescending way, and told I'm fucking lazy, or told to be quiet and wait it out. Doge forbid I get angry about it. No wonder others are nervous about pointing stuff out.

Get off my back.

    I don't recommend the internet to friends

Nice strawman.

I can't recommend hubski as a chimpire-free alternative to reddit when it is heading for the exact same problem. It only takes one Cat Piss Man to ruin a place this small, and ours is malicious to boot. It's literally killing my experience of hubski, why would I invite others to experience the same?

And you. You're part of that experience. Congrats.

rinx  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The user you're responding to is completely full of it. He spreads the anti-feminism stuff around and his comment history is full of pro-troll posts. I know you're frustrated that these people exist and are so active here, but I think the Hubski team is working on it. Keep in mind you have double his followers, the Hubski community is overwhelmingly more interesting in what you have to say then people like him.

I don't think there is much point talking to someone who is so completely nutty. He's not going to cave, or suddenly learn how to handle an intelligent conversation. I'm not going to tell you not to get mad, or not to hold users to a higher standard. I'm just posting so you know you aren't alone, and that users like him won't matter much in the long run. Hang in there lady.

crafty  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll keep it short and sweet because, frankly, I don't think this:

    y'all keep giving him the attention he's trolling for.

is correct. It's not me that is giving him all this attention, I don't really care about the guy. He posted a couple interesting articles, I commented on/shared a small fraction of them; it is other people, people like you, this entire recent round of reddit diaspora, that is starting and perpetuating the issue on both sides; hubski was a much nicer place before all of you people showed up. I don't think I've ever said anything racist or sexist, and if I have, I would make a genuine apology for it, but you people are an unrelenting mob, who refuse to stop complaining about one person. At any rate, good luck on your personal crusade, and with all due respect, don't hesitate to filter me, I wouldn't want to negatively impact your delicate sensibilities. By the way, it is my personal opinion that dem dank maymays deserve to stay on reddit, but hey, to each her own, right?