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empty  ·  3402 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Cop Killed A White Teen And The #AllLivesMatter Crowd Said Nothing

The way that hashtags change the public discourse by adding layer of political-linguistic abstraction to everyday social interactions by people at all levels of stratification across race, class, gender, etc, is... still incredibly astounding. I didn't think mass adoption of the internet would ever have looked like this, but here it is. Something weirder and yet more amazing than any of us internet early-adopters would have imagined.





tla  ·  3402 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I know right. The way it enfranchises those who would otherwise be invisible is amazing. All you need is a wifi-capable phone.

empty  ·  3402 days ago  ·  link  ·  

True things. It's hard for me to explain to my parents how things work now. They don't have the concepts, and they CAN'T because they can't have the same formative social experiences.

tla  ·  3402 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It kind of upsets me when hashtags and change/avaaz/etc get shat on as "slacktivism".

empty  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

i think there's a difference between slacktivism hashtags (#Kony2012) vs ones that actually drive forward the public discourse (#BlackLivesMatter). The "things" which hashtags refer to have always existed in pop culture, but now we have a social means of labeling them explicitly.

tla  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's more than that. It's the expectation that you have to expend a certain amount of effort, money, time, or other resource to be allowed to consider yourself an activist, or your opinion valid. Your working poor individual with two minimum wage jobs still consumes media and has valid opinions, but none of these resources to spare. All they can afford to do is "slacktivism" and it's not because they're slack. Dismissing hashtags movements, even ones like #Kony2012, as slack or lazy is literally dismissing the voices who cannot meet a certain arbitrary investment criteria.

Fuck that noise.

empty  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

weren't most of the #Kony2012 people middle class white kids who were being duped by a 30-something white guy to try to stop a dictator who was already dead?

tla  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't particularly care. Kony2012 is kind of a red herring in this discussion.

empty  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I see. You've changed my opinion on the validity of using the "slacktivism" concept. Giving a voice to those who wouldn't otherwise have the resources to make their voices heard is worth a kony2012 every now and then.

tla  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Indeed. I don't believe there is a such thing as signal with zero noise.

empty  ·  3401 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I really like this analogy. Usually when I make analogies to "signal-noise ratio", I'm thinking of comprehensibility (or lack thereof). But that usually only applies to one speaker/author/whatever. Your analogy is referring to something that's abstracted over individuals, something that's closer to how political ideas spread.