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comment by kleinbl00

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Thanks for sharing your adventures. If I'm not mistaken, your basic gist is "I had to try three distros and a bunch of terminal commands before it worked right."

Which is why I haven't touched Linux since being required to fire up a Knoppix install in order to mount a ZFS cluster on a dead RAID partition in 2007.





dublinben  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To be fair, if he had started with Debian it probably would have just worked perfectly. It includes Gnome 3 by default, and meets all their other requirements.

deepflows  ·  3405 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I doubt it would have worked perfectly. As I said, my keyboard problem happened on all distros until I switched to the magic USB port of happy typing. Other than that, no idea, really. I quite like Debian in principle. Maybe I'll try it on my Laptop. Most articles I read suggested that one should get started with a more newbie-centric distribution and advance to something like debian or arch once a decent understanding of the system and especially not-just-basic usage of the shell is acquired.

How are things in Debian land currently from a user experience point of view? Would you say it requires a decent understanding of manual system configuration to get a working system going?

deepflows  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair enough, took a lot to convince me to go back to Linux because of my own experiences several years ago. I'm somewhat optimistic about things this time around - but who knows what my system will look like next time something important gets updated.

That bash quote - wow, funniest thing I've read for a while. I think "It's funny because it's true" applies.

kleinbl00  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I may get there.

The one problem for me is it's impossible to use any of my pro software on Linux, so messing around with it doesn't really help me out. Otherwise I'd jump in a heartbeat.

user-inactivated  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The media production landscape on Linux is strange. If you do 3d all your tools probably have linux ports, because lots of shops want render farms or have to roll their own software and want a painless environment to do it in. Anything else and you're out of luck.

Actually, I thought CSound was neat the one time I had to make noises for a project, but it's definitely one of those applications that are exactly what you want if you're a programmer doing someone else's job, and not at all what you want otherwise.

kleinbl00  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Put it this way: if you do audio at all, windows is an alternative OS. If you do audio for video, it isn't even a possibility.

deepflows  ·  3405 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I always assumed that using OSX for media work instead of windows was more of an issue of image and conformity. Is this actually related to hardware or are the best tools not being sold on Windows?

kleinbl00  ·  3405 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Back when you could still use a mac for things, it came down to the fact that audio and video out of Mac was time-accurate while audio and video out of windows was not. This improved somewhat with ASIO but the fact of the matter is, the timing spec on USB allows audio and video data packets to slip while the timing spec on Firewire does not. Timing wasn't a concern for Windows, but it absolutely was for Mac, from OS 1 clear up through OS 9 and into the OS X adventure.

Windows has caught up but there's still the problem that all the big video editing systems and all the big audio editing systems are written for mac, then ported to windows. I beta test some of the big guys and can confirm that the bugginess and problematic behavior encountered in Windows is an order of magnitude higher than it is on mac, probably for this very reason. Meanwhile, the only video editor of any merit you can run on Linux is Lightworks, which has effectively no audio editing capabilities and zero interoperability with the rest of the world.

It really is hardware-driven. The '00's were entirely driven by Final Cut, an editing program purchased by Apple that was really quite good and utterly unavailable on Windows. Avid, makers of Media Composer (the "big boy" NLE), retaliated by releasing MC and Symphony for Windows but the penetration was never as good as on Mac for all the reasons listed above. Then Apple shit the bed with Final Cut X and everyone went "shit - are we spending the money on MC/Symphony or are we slummin' it in Premiere?"

And Premiere will run on PC, sure, but you've already capitulated by running it. Why the fuck would you capitulate further by introducing Windows into your life?

Fully half my plugins are unavailable on Windows.

deepflows  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I take it a Virtual Machine is not an option? Or Wine?

kleinbl00  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Take the fun'n'games you experienced with a USB keyboard and multiply times an HD Native card.