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crafty  ·  3404 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Video clip of Cannikin, the largest underground thermonuclear test

Well, I do understand that the scientists who who were tasked with ensuring M.A.D. really was M.A.D. had to perform these tests out of more than mere curiosity, but like you point out, bigger and bigger bombs are only useful to a certain point, there are many more considerations beyond just yield. More generally, I've always been somewhat skeptical that M.A.D. makes us safer; I suppose one could say it prevented the cold war from becoming a hot war, but it certainly has done little to prevent conventional wars in general, and even if it might make angry despots or revenge-minded psychopathic leaders second-guess aggressive actions, it does so by risking the lives of thousand or millions of innocent civilians. I haven't seriously investigated what full-scale nuclear war would be expected to look like between Russia and the US, or India and Pakistan, or (theoretically) Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran, so perhaps most of my conception is based on antiquated mass-media fear mongering. I suppose it's a little like gun control. Does everyone owning and carrying a gun make us all safer on a personal level, any more than every sovereign nation having a nuclear arsenal make global politics safer?





b_b  ·  3404 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Does everyone owning and carrying a gun make us all safer on a personal level, any more than every sovereign nation having a nuclear arsenal make global politics safer?

I think the analogy is a little off, because any particular person with a gun might be expected to be irrational, psychotic, etc. However, MAD is based on the principle that states are rational actors, and that no rational actor would ever risk a sizable portion of their own population, economy, etc, for literally no gain other than like destruction in the adversary's country. No matter how terrible any given leader is (and the USSR had a few that were certainly that), the decision to use nukes would almost certainly be by committee, even if the choice to fire ultimately lay with one person.

crafty  ·  3404 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm, that is a good point. I would suppose a group of committee members could be expected to be more rational, judicious or cautious. States don't (or at least I hope they wouldn't) keep their nukes on their hip like some Zimmerman character. I think I would be willing to fire a gun at someone in self-defense, but if I were a political/military leader, would I be able to fire a nuke as a preemptive or retaliatory strike? I suppose MAD works because there is this assumption that nobody would fire that first nuke, where as personal safety in a society that advocates for individual gun ownership breaks down when people will begin shooting a varying degrees of provocation.

kleinbl00  ·  3404 days ago  ·  link  ·