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kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The chart conservatives *have* to debunk

FOR FUCKING RICH PEOPLE, DUH

Let's say you make widgets for a living. You're on an hourly. You get $10 regardless of how many widgets you make.

Let's say your boss is a capitalist who wants to make money. The more widgets you make, the more widgets he can sell and the richer he can get.

Let's say he discovers that a judicious application of methamphetamine and corporal punishment increases your widget output by 200%. He now has twice as many widgets to sell as he did - because your productivity went up. And let's be honest; meth is cheap and he'd whip you for fun so it's a win-win.

For him anyway. You? You're still making $10 an hour only now you've got welts on your back and meth bugs on your wrists. YAY PRODUCTIVITY!

This is why capitalists want to talk about productivity, rather than job satisfaction.





War  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But if I can make more money in the long term, and really solidify my business for the foreseeable future why would I trade that for short term gains? I mean you are talking about destructive amounts of greed, it isn't sustainable. I get that they just don't care I guess it just surprises me that people can think like that.

b_b  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Read up on quarterly earnings reports. They go a long way to explaining the lack of investment in long term projects, and the laser like focus on managing share price.

kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Exactly this. So long as I add value to the shareholders I'm an f'n genius. War:

2900 layoffs, R&D department shuttered at Amgen

Amgen to close Onyx Pharmaceuticals

Amgen, bowing to hedge fund pressure, to cut 1100 more jobs

Looks kind of like a stock in trouble, right? But check out this morning's Seeking Alpha:

Amgen: Solid value with buyout potential

Yay! You laid off 4500 people, shuttered your R&D campus and are struggling to stay alive but you're a "solid value!"

Sustainable? Who gives a fuck about sustainable? P/E, baby, P/E! EBIDTA EBIDTA EBIDTA!

War  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Am I the ludicrous one for thinking long-term? Am I the crazy one for wanting to have a positive legacy?

kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not at all. Even Adam Smith thought the market needed to be regulated. Any time you see a concentration of wealth you will see negative effects for those without concentrated wealth.

Unfortunately, the entire study of economics is one long riff of "don't hate the playa hate the game." And the whole discussion here is that productivity is a really poor metric to judge quality of life by. Those on the side of the worker are going to rally behind this and try and get more of the proletariat to vote. Those on the side of the owner are going to shovel money into campaigning so that the proletariat gets kept in its place.

And that, my friend, is politics.

am_Unition  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Those on the side of the owner are going to shovel money into campaigning so that the proletariat gets kept in its place.

Campaigns so successful that they've got the proletariat funneling money into deluding itself.

War  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, I know the political side of things pretty well. The only thing is long-term sustainability is more of a concern when referring to states. Business practices in no way translates well to state practices, but sadly political systems are rapidly morphing into businesses...

user-inactivated  ·  3406 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Amazon and Bezos are being punished by the stock market due to Bezos investing into the long term growth of the company rather than paying out dividends. article

I love Amazon. They are one of few tech companies trying to fight back against the Quarterly report or fail mentality. They are also one of the few that are looking 5, 10 years down the road and building something. I think Google is doing that, as is Tesla.

stefan  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Could someone explain, in layman's terms, how the hell this can happen? How can a company that is obviously in quite a pickle be a good thing for investors?

kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Buy low, sell high, no past, no future.

Let's say Amgen is 170 bucks a share. You buy 100 shares. Your investment is $17,000.

Let's say Seeking Alpha publishes that "buy Amgen" article. Amgen is now $178 a share. (go check! Ticker is AMGN). Your investment is now worth $17,800.

If you bought Amgen last night and sold it right now, at $8 per trade on eTrade, you just made $792. So that's one way.

Let's also say that Amgen, as a company, is defunct. Amgen, as a slu of patents, is a valuable portfolio. Whoever buys the company will get their patents and "trim the fat" (IE, everyone who works at amgen). The owner of those patents gets all the profit and none of the overhead. So if you hold Amgen stock and Amgen is bought by a corporate raider intent on dismantling it, everyone is going to want some of that Amgen stock so that they get bought out. So that's another.

Now - if you work at Amgen you get upside on the first and all downside on the second. But who gives a fuck about the people who actually make things? The market is all about the people who buy and sell the companies that make things.

user-inactivated  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is a lot of morning energy that I wish I could harness for my workday right about now.

kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's dark brown, murky, and is made from the roasted nuts of a tropical plant. I recommend it.

user-inactivated  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But klein I can't have chocolate until my cheat day tomorrow

kleinbl00  ·  3407 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You can, you just can't have any sugar in it.

This is why I prefer coffee.