There are a lot of great guys in tech. I know a lot of them. But it only takes a 1/4 or a 1/3 of the male population in STEM (broadly speaking) to turn women off on subjects that they have an innate desire to pursue. And this is the crowd talking about how women's experiences don't matter. I never said no women have positive experiences in STEM. I never said most women have primarily negative experiences in tech. I said women in stem "have almost ubiquitously had negative experiences in tech." How about the first study I found in a google search? Don't like that one? Look at the next one. Don't like that one? Look at the next one. Don't play stupid. It's irritating that you're pretending that what everyone knows isn't the case. A lot of women have bad experiences in tech. There are entire industries built on white men being upset about the few issues that they face. Nothing like conservative talk radio exists on the feminist end of the spectrum; nothing even remotely close. Every one of your points you yourself likely know are defenseless. Technology, and STEM, belongs to everyone. The transition to a more open field, from discipline to discipline, is going to be ugly, petty, and depressing. But I think that 2/3 or 3/4 of men that genuinely want STEM to be a better place for women is going to win out over the bitching and moaning from a small minority of moral/mental truants. And even if I'm wrong, I think women will manage to make their way one way or the other. It's sad to see so much hysterical opposition from people who have nothing to lose by simply being decent, no matter how it turns out.Okay, so the women who say that the industry isn't the misogynistic wasteland described by other women then are invalid experiences in your opinion?
You've really paraphrased me poorly, I think you'll have to admit. "almost ubiquitous negative experiences" is not the same as "misogynistic wasteland."
If I paraphrased you poorly then you definitely paraphrased the author poorly and now have also paraphrased me poorly.
I said that I agree that many women have had bad experiences
You said almost ubiquitously, which means almost all which means you did say most women have had primarily negative experiences in gaming.
In what way do I My issue is, as is the authors, that specific women take advantage of this, push the rhetoric, bait those few (which you just agreed are the minority, although I think it's a greater minority than doubt but there are no studies showing the actual number so I'll take your word over mine for it) trolls/misogynists into continually harassing them through taunts so that they can use the visible harassment for personal gains (e.g. Anita Sarkeesian). His issue, like mine, is that instead of using facts, they bend the truth and flat lie about inherent sexism in specific games that don't have it. Again, from your last post I doubt you are going to actual consider what I wrote and read it without seeing what you want and twisting my words.
Sorry for not COMPLETELY agreeing with what you say (even though if you actually looked at the things we said we pretty much agreed on major issue of sexism in STEM/gaming but disagreed as to the scale and the representation of victims and harassers on both sides). Here are some links for you to look at: misogynist men aren't the only thing pushing women out of STEM an example of a woman in STEM experiencing hostility from other women for not conforming an example of a woman in the gaming industry being harassed for having a differing viewpoint than the anti-GG The history of bullying from one of the vocal figureheads of feminism, Part 1 An example of these feminist 'heroes' baiting trollsI absolutely believe many women have had negative experiences (yes, in STEM too) but to just make a sweeping suggesting that ALL women have had negative experiences is absurd. And not helping. Yes, point out the flaws but don't create false narratives and don't flat out lie and label anyone who is disagreeing with you a misogynist.
"have almost ubiquitously had negative experiences in tech"
If my understanding of the world 'ubiquitously' is wrong, correct me.play stupid. It's irritating that you're pretending that what everyone knows isn't the case. A lot of women have bad experiences in tech.
I said that agreed that women in STEM and gaming specifically are faced with negative experiences.It's sad to see so much hysterical opposition from people who have nothing to lose by simply being decent, no matter how it turns out.
What exactly do you think I'm opposing? Do you seriously believe I don't want a better atmosphere for women in STEM, even do I've said here and elsewhere on hubski that I agree that there are issues and we should work to get rid of them. I don't think anything I say to you is going to actually register. You didn't read the article he wrote and look into how what he was saying was directed at a specific vocal minority on the feminist side doing unethical things. Which is what I'm saying. The minority of men which are vocal misogynists make the environment bad for women, as you said and as I agree. But, someone is automatically correct and ethical and void of criticism if they are a woman. Which is what he is saying. His problem is that people in the industry (both men and women, devs and journalists) are scared to speak out against these figure heads and their hypocrisy because of the hoards of followers they have immediately lashing back because they can't or won't see any flaws in these female 'heroes' of gaming.