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user-inactivated  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Greeks go to the polls in half an hour.

Remember Germany, mid-1920s... began aggressively printing cash, instituted various economic controls, paid their war debts with inflated twaddle, turned around and poured much of the recirculated money into factories, train tracks and housing, waited ten years, conquered most of Europe.

Anyway, Greece has, honestly, two decent options. No matter how they vote they're not going to pay much of this money back for a long, long time. Even under modified "austerity" the terms won't be terrible, because the EU knows they're going to be walking through this process again with someone in the next ten years. At least I hope they know that.

I'd vote yes.

    Are you worried about the effects of a Grexit on the global economy?

As of last week I'm free and clean of the stock market, hoping for a crash. I've also always wanted to see Greece. Come what may, flagamuffin is prepared. I even found a beat up copy of The European Dream in a used bookstore the other day with which to masturbate.





user-inactivated  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Remember Germany

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Greece have a problem with some very vocal, jingoistic political parties right now?

Ezana  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Golden Dawn, a literal neo-nazi party, consistently polls third (around 10-12%) and has a pretty strong street presence, though all of its MPs are in jail. ANEL is a "patriotic right" party which is in government as SYRIZA's junior coalition partner. And then there are also persistent rumors of generals/retired generals forming a new right-wing party, though that never seems to materialize. So the far-right certainly could come to power, though if it tried to invade any of its neighbors, it'd almost certainly get slapped down.

user-inactivated  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    So the far-right certainly could come to power, though if it tried to invade any of its neighbors, it'd almost certainly get slapped down.

Hmm. Yes. I remember reading about Golden Dawn now. Scary stuff. I think if they did come to power, weather or not they turned Greece into a belligerent nation on the international scene would be irrelevant. Having such people in power would create quite a toxic atmosphere and that alone is scary.

I am of the impression that when things become difficult, a lot of groups with extremist viewpoints tend to double down and for some reason, gain more support from the general populace. I'd hate to see that happen anywhere and Greece is no exception.

Ezana  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Me too. A contact of mine in Greece, for what it's worth, is convinced that Golden Dawn holding any power is impossible, that the military dislikes them and that there would be a coup if they took power. He's a Major in the Greek army, though I believe with the way the Greek army is structure, that just means he's been in the reserve officer corp for a while and has fucked up; I don't know how much influence he has. But I'm hopeful.

user-inactivated  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a part of me that doesn't like the idea of coups. They often seem to create more problems than they solve. Thailand for example seems to have one every decade or so. The coup in Egypt created a new boss that was just like the old. I'm sure if I looked up even more examples of coups in the 20th and 21st century, I'd find a pretty poor track record.

Ezana  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, coups are pretty terrible, as a rule. But even another Junta would be better for Greece than a Golden Dawn government, I think.