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comment by ooli

Ok. First I appreciate the initiative.

But. Reading the title I though we will have some white, black, yellow and red circles. You missed the red. You went with stripes.

  Your idea of racial equality stand on skin color, somehow I think it's wrong.
The LGBTQ work because it's just a rainbow. They didnt choose a pink flag with a strapon and a blond wig. Racial equality don't need some reminder of bad stereotypes and skin color difference.




I_work_alone  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Second. It should at least be an abstraction of what it is trying to convey. Prejudiced people's first impression seeing that flag necessarily implies thinking about skin-tones. With that, there comes more stereotypes. With that, there comes more prejudices. With that, there comes a cognitive effect that you initially wanted to fight against.

Good thing that you (OP) started this thought and its accompanying discussion. I would rather start with:

"Does racial equality need a flag?"

Herunar  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think racial equality needs a flag. I think the struggle of every ethnicity for equality is very different from the mutual struggle of the LGBTQ community for equality.

MadEmperorYuri  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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I_work_alone  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Maybe no flag about racial equality sends more of a signal about racial equality than a flag about racial equality? Within the realms of less is sometimes better?

In my world people should not care about superficial features such as color and shape, so why make a flag for it? But then again, science proves all the time that we can only very hardly get rid of stereotypes in our thinking. They are, from an evolutionary standpoint, rather important for our survival.

So maybe we need a flag after all?

I confuse myself.

MadEmperorYuri  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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aidrocsid  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  

All the various queer flags come from a method of quiet signaling to others. You don't need to quietly signal your race to others.

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I_work_alone  ·  3431 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hey emperor, thanks for your reply. In a very weird sense, I think, the LGBTQ flag creates its own mental borders by simply being a representation of a movement. This is very far fetched and way too philosophical for this thread's purpose, but think about it for a second. (And I don't want to demotivate anybody to do anything). But, by creating a symbolic representation of something (like a gender movement, a racial movement, a political movement, a simple opinion on anything), you necessarily create/put into existence an In-Group (supporters of that movement, people that have the same opinion, people that work towards the same goal) and also an Out-group (people opposing your movement/opinion).

Generally, such a categorization of In-, and Out-groups comes in handy for our survival, just as it did for millions of years. On the other hand, though, with such an intrinsic system of putting objects, meanings, semantics, etc. into differently labeled drawers, you create a clash of opinions.

This is, again, very far fetched. I come from a psychological background. All you want is make a flag for a good reason. I support that. I like the idea.

Although, I am not a graphic designer, I know my way around Illustrator and Photoshop. When I have some free-time, imma try and put some shapes together, colorize it and use a lot of sepia. ;D