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caelum19  ·  3447 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: FINLAND: New Government Commits to a Basic Income Experiment

I'm a Basic Income newbie. What do Finland as a government actually benefit from this?

I understand from a humanity perspective, it's a very good thing to have. But governments rarely work from a humanity perspective.

if I were playing Civ 5, is there any reason for me to adopt Basic Income?





theadvancedapes  ·  3447 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    if I were playing Civ 5, is there any reason for me to adopt Basic Income?

Prevent financial collapse and keep your head.

shiranaihito  ·  3447 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's probably just a PR-stunt. At least I hope so.

Suppose that 25% of a country's population are living on welfare. Let's say that represents 25% of the country's yearly budget. Naturally, 100% of the money in the budget is used on various highly necessary expenditures etc. There's no money left over.

Now imagine the country's Dear Leaders decide they want to implement Basic Income, which effectively means that now everyone is on welfare. The new welfare expenditures are four times higher, but there was no money left over in the budget.

They've got four options:

  - 1) Cancel Basic Income.
  - 2) Cancel everything except Basic Income.
  - 3) Print Money.
  - 4) Borrow Money.
Three of those are bad ideas, especially in the long run.
ll  ·  3435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The general assumption here is that the people receiving basic income do not become lazy good-for-nothing people who refuse to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

From what I understand, a basic income is supposed to try and soften the harshness of a global economy where there are fewer jobs as more and more jobs are being automated away.

For example, when a factory worker gets laid off, the worker has to apply for unemployment and then wait to receive checks. With basic income the factory worker has been receiving money already so the worker doesn't have to deal with a beurecratic organization like an (un)employment office. The worker will have enough money to survive, and it will be a net preventing the worker from falling into a vicious cycle of homelessnes and so on.

A person that has had a well paying job will not really care for a measly $500 or so a month, and they would probably just spend it on entertainment or some other services anyway, which is good for the economy.

Back of the envelope calculations: The richer person will have an additional $6,000 a year, which(assuming they make $60,000 a year already) is an increase of 10%, which is not that big. A factory worker who makes $20,000 will have the extra $6,000 a year which mill be a 30% increase in what they make. That will definitely easy the burden off of the factory worker, and if the worker loses a job, he still has at least $6,000 a year to survive off of.

I imagine replacing expensive and inefficient food stamp projects with a simpler government -> persons bank account deposit would end up saving a lot of money, too.

EDIT: sorry if anyone got 20 notifications for this. I kept getting a 502 error and after I finally managed a successful post I saw 8 or so posts from me. Sorry!

wasoxygen  ·  3433 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    $500 or so a month, and they would probably just spend it on entertainment or some other services anyway, which is good for the economy

The $500 has to be taken out of the economy before it can be injected back in. This benefit is exactly offset by the cost, if we ignore administrative costs.

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