Be patient. Voat is under the kiss of death from fleeing reddit users. Or under a DDOS.
I still wonder why the "censorpship" of /r/fatpeoplehate make so many more people angry than /r/jailbait "censorship's" (or whatever the name of that subreddit was) in its time.
Edit: May be, like in Charlie Hebdo attack, or Dieudonne "censorship" in France, people really like dudes trying to be funny (even when their humor is kind of bad) . Somehow its better than liking to watch half naked prepubescent girls.
I have two problems with the latest massive Reddit exodus to Voat: it's massive and it's coming from Reddit. On a more serious note, in the last couple of days the number of accounts on Voat has doubled, meaning that the number of actual active users has gone up by an even higher factor since the newcomers are more likely to participate on the site than the forgotten old accounts (like my alt, for example), effectively overtaking Voat. At this moment, I have seen numerous complaints about rules set in place regarding voting limits, complaints regarding different mods on subverses with the same names as their counterpart subreddits, demands for those mods to give over the reigns of power, hogging of every possible username that might be even remotely interesting, and an influx of stupid puns that now get upvoted through the roof. I can live with all of that though. What I can't really live with is the FPH community. Let me explain. I think that they should never have been banned on Reddit. That decision was stupid, and it is likely to cost the Reddit admins money in the long term. However, I was content with them being a smaller fringe group that would spew hate towards overweight people in their own little corner. What I am not alright with is that Voat has now become the "FPH website" or a rallying point for them to regroup. Think of it this way. If I live in a nice neighborhood, I can cope with a racist old man living on the corner who sometimes mutters to himself about how "niggers have ruined America", provided he is actually peaceful and the rest of community just views him as a harmless old nutter. If, on the other hand, half of the neighborhood is chanting "kill all blacks", I will get the hell out of there even though I am Caucasian. Similarly, I don't think I will be staying at Voat for much longer. I had great hopes for it when I first signed up, but at this point it is filled with hate posts and meta posts about Reddit. I have donated to it in the last, but I believe that the money is better to go to places like Hubski, or actual charities. Or even a cup of coffee for me, but not to a place that has become what it is right now.
I've hung out in Voat for quite a while, right before the site transitioned out of its Whoaverse brand. It was pretty chill at first, before wave after wave of reddit migration slowly made sections of the site more toxic with unfounded vitriol. It's happened with /r/conspiracy, and it's just happened with /r/FPH. But like reddit, I'll just simply control the subverses I'm subscribed to. And if the toxicity is bad enough to permeate the entire site, I have several alternative avenues. Still I wish good luck to Atko. He's gonna have a heck of a time handling the toxins that reddit leaked out.
Indeed. I feel sorry for anyone who owns a site where people with vile and hateful viewpoints suddenly start to congregate. Were something like that be happening to me, and I'm glad it's not, I'd scrap the whole thing and wash my hands of it.Still I wish good luck to Atko. He's gonna have a heck of a time handling the toxins that reddit leaked out.
It may work out brilliantly to his benefit. If the majority of the migrating users are younger, they could form a pretty decent core group of users as they mature, particularly as much of what they are doing, dehumanizing though it may be, still requires a bit of creativity. A maturing and creative crowd could cause a lot of people to wake up one morning and find Voat.co with lots of amazing and original content. Or it will go to hell. Who knows...
I agree with you that I think voat is definitely just going to adopt the same shitty qualities of reddit, maybe even in a higher concentration. From a brief time looking at it and what you've said about the people there, it seems like most people switching just want the exact same thing as reddit, just without the censorship. They like the low-effort content, one line jokes, and such, so it makes sense to me why voat would quickly adopt the same attributes. However I think there is another group of people that most people are overlooking. I think there are those who have been dissatisfied with that type of low-effort environment on reddit and have taken this as the time to branch out. This is personally what I did. I've been wishing reddit was better in so many ways for so long, that once this all came along, suddenly there were entire threads dedicated to finding "reddit replacements". So that's why I'm here. I didn't really like the censorship, I didn't think FPH should have been banned either (though I understand why it was), but my main goal in leaving was to find a better platform than reddit (or at least, better discussion), not to just find another site with the same characteristics.
Just caught this hilarity: http://cityworldnews.com/reddit-plans-lawsuit-against-voat-co/ I'm pretty much overstuffed on popcorn these days. Need more veggies. But the butter...it's so good.
The main difference is that /r/jailbait directly broke reddit rules, was illegal content, etc. While /r/fatpeoplehate followed pretty much all the rules and had strict moderation. Once /r/fatpeoplehate was banned, and other 'hate subs' that were near identical weren't banned, it became clear the admins banned subreddits based on the idea, rather than behavior (contrary to what they claimed). And then things sort of just went to shit. It was sort of the final straw for a lot of people, since the dislike of reddit has been growing for some time now.
This is a popular myth, but it didn't break any rules at the time (which is why there was a decent-sized outrage when it happened; reddit basically ignored their own rules to get rid of a subreddit), and it wasn't illegal - there's a reason the government didn't go after violentacrez once Gawker revealed his real identity and he stupidly went on CNN to defend himself. The subreddit drew a line in the sand and banned anything which crossed that line. It was absolutely immoral and creepy as all fuck, but they deleted everything which crossed the line into being actual child porn. it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some of the moderators were saving the stuff they deleted to their own hard drive (or a server hosted in another country more likely), but what they allowed to stay on that subreddit was within the bounds of legality.The main difference is that /r/jailbait directly broke reddit rules, was illegal content, etc.
As a site though, Reddit shouldn't be asked to keep an eye on that sub to make sure they're not hosting child porn. FPH shouldn't have been banned because it's a stupid little circle jerk and who gives a rat's ass, but jailbait was literally posting pictures of young people who are meant to look as if they are illegal to post pornographic pictures of, and everyone was expected to show deference to that rule on the honor system. The porn industry jumps through a lot of hoops to make sure that everyone is over 18 when they're working (taking video testimony while the actors hold an ID and social security card and verify their age), but jailbait didn't do that and it's not worth the risk. FPH has no inherent risk. It's just a bunch of jerks laughing at fat people. However, if Reddit wants ad-revenue from larger corporations then it's going to have to clean up its shadier subs, and that's what they're trying to do now. First FPH which won't have any defenders, then a few more here and there, and then eventually you have a squeaky clean Reddit. Hubski has a way better system. This whole place could be filled with violent sex-offended racists and I just filter them out. Never see it.
Why the quotes around censorship? I think there are a few reasons: A bunch of the angry group didn't care about censorship until something they like got censored Being associated with fat people haters is a lot better than being associated with pedophiles. Posting sexualish pictures of other people feels more like a violation of their privacy. The subreddit's title, maybe most of the posts were legal but you can understand banning a subreddit if it puts the site as a whole at even the slightest danger. /r/FPH was a hate-based subreddit, and I think much bigger. So it's users are a lot more likely to backlash and influence outsiders about whether or not the censorship was justified.I still wonder why the "censorpship" of /r/fatpeoplehate make so many more people angry than /r/jailbait "censorship's"
They've been around for a bit. If you ever checked out r/all, you'd see their posts often on the first few pages. I rarely go to r/all, mostly to avoid all the porn that shows up, and more often than that I stuck to my niche subreddits. If a generally oblivious guy like me though, who rarely browses the larger subreddits, knew that r/fatpeoplehate was a thing, it was pretty big.
What do you mean somehow? Of course it's better. I don't think it has anything to do with humor, I think it really is more palatable.Edit: May be, like in Charlie Hebdo attack, or Dieudonne "censorship" in France, people really like dudes trying to be funny (even when their humor is kind of bad) . Somehow its better than liking to watch half naked prepubescent girls.
My English is full of approximation. I meant : it's kind of reassuring that more people are concerned about "bad humor" censorship, than about "disputable lust" censorship. For me, the implicit generalization was that people prefer laughing way more than lust. It's a good new about the human mind, isn't it?
I prefer to think of us as "Reddit refugees." Or Rats fleeing sinking ship. :) And for those of you afraid we'll bring our hateful subreddits here, I don't think those folks will find much fun in this community. I'm loving what I see--the emphasis on communication and discourse.
You know, I really am not looking to get off reddit because of the censorship thing. Honestly, I think it was overblown. FPH was just crap. Whatever valid points they might have had about "fat culture" was lost in their utterly boorish behavior. Good riddance. What I can't abide by is having to wade through shitpost after shitpost, trying to find the one good comment in thousands, to reply, and either be ignored or downvoted into oblivion even if I spent a good amount of time writing a thoughtful reply... Reddit just scaled poorly, and this wasn't a problem with their tech, this was a problem with the underlying design.