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MilitantNegro  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Dog Dang Reddit Links! Stop breaking my happy place! (Data thread)

The last thing this place needs is the angriest and most reactionary that Reddit has to offer finding their way here.





ugh  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like the people bleeding reddit out right now are going to stay there and fight for their precious freedom of speech. the rest of us coming to visit your really friendly-looking website are just looking for a little reprieve.

lelibertaire  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I really, really hope so.

I'm like the hipster Reddit refugee. Came a month ago looking for greener pastures and found I really dig the community here and the way the site works.

If you're not from that crowd, then welcome! Hope you find this place as cozy as I did.

The others can go to Voat.

resukureipuru  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm in the same boat, having joined a year or two back. I'm not human enough for hubski though. I'll probably go to voat and fling shit with the reactionary conspiracy theorists, rather than mess up what hubski has going here.

BackToThePresent  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not all of us that left reddit were part of FPH, I've been an active redditor for the past 2 years, taking care of my local town sub and contributing in a lot of smaller subs, it was all good until the blatant censorship started a few months back, I got over it by adding reddit to my adblock and blocking everything else with NoScript... and then today came and saw what happen, reddit cherry picking a few subs so they would justify the deletion of FPH, because FPH dared to make their own imagehost and insult imgur staff the previous day, right after that I spent a few hours deleting all my history and deleting my account, I'm done with reddit.

I hope to make hubski my new home once I get used to it.

kurabys  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agreed. I think you will see a lot of the FPH crowd remain at reddit because they are now out for blood and simply leaving won't satisfy their already established desire to rage (or at least accost). I'm not one of them, but I also think it would have been best not to poke the sleeping badger.

A large portion of the exodus is just people tired of arbitrary censorship. On the internet, the phrase "Vote with your wallet" translates to "Vote with your views", so I am taking my views elsewhere from reddit.

KaliYugaz  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    A large portion of the exodus is just people tired of arbitrary censorship.

The censorship isn't arbitrary though. People don't understand the underlying pattern because they think of Reddit as a free speech free-for-all, when really it is fundamentally based in libertarian principles of property rights.

The idea is that the mods and subscribers of a subreddit have absolute control over their subreddit and the absolute right to the integrity of their subreddit community, in the same way that people in the real world have an absolute right to their property. The admins only oppose censorship as a policy insofar as it interferes with this right (so banning a sub just because they have offensive content would be against the principles of Reddit).

However, if certain communities are interfering with the culture and functioning of other communities (violating the non-aggression principle, so to speak) or posing a threat to the site as a whole, then they can and do get banned.

insomniasexx  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  
MilitantNegro  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That one was interesting. The people who started the sub abandoned it 2 years ago and the people who ran FPH took it over a year ago. So it's not as arbitrary as it seems.

kurabys  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I understand that the new theory of censorship is what you have described, but a large portion of the reddit community does not see it as actually being applied in that manner (the easiest example being the continued existence of SRS, which exists solely to violate the non-aggression principle).

My point above regarding arbitrary censorship really was that people decide what to view/consume based on how they perceive the product. Any site/entity that claims to do one thing, but is perceived as doing something else (even wrongly) is going to lose viewers/consumers. Rather than trying to clarify things or reevaluate the manner in which it is applying its own rules, reddit seems to be doubling down on the "you guys just don't understand" position. From a purely consumer standpoint, I don't care for the current business practice, so I'm not going to support the site.

That said, I look forward to engaging the Hubski community!

KaliYugaz  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well as I remember, they justified their lack of interest in persecuting SRS by the fact that SRS simply doesn't brigade that much anymore, and that's completely right. If they were intent on being consistent, they might target AgainstMensRights or something, but I'm not sure.

I totally agree, despite supporting them on the whole, that Reddit admins are being stupid by refusing to properly clarify their rules. I think it's just the fact that they are completely, abysmally incompetent at PR that is the problem.

TheCid  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    However, if certain communities are interfering with the culture and functioning of other communities (violating the non-aggression principle, so to speak) or posing a threat to the site as a whole, then they can and do get banned.

The continued existence of /r/ShitRedditSays and /r/SubredditDrama stands as a debunking of this being the operant principle.

There is a double standard no matter how you slice it.

Thebeardedhipster  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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Thebeardedhipster  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Voat strikes me as fertile ground for the next big internet mistake, like reddit eight years ago.

Thebeardedhipster  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Voat strikes me as fertile ground for the next big internet mistake, like reddit eight years ago.

HotTower  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I moved, mostly because I'm under the impression (hoping) that a lot of the angry people will end up staying on reddit. If the tone of hubski ends up being changed to that of the recently banned FPH people, I'll probably go back to reddit.

low_ho_fosho  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I really couldn't care less about the drama on reddit right now. I came here after seeing a link in the /r/askreddit thread, and after reading about hubski I just think the idea is cool. It's different. But that doesn't mean I won't also use reddit.

Getting mad about the internal politics of an internet forum is ridiculous. People need to learn some perspective.

ayer_  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There isn't anything wrong with using both. I will be doing the same.

calber  ·  3457 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I came from Reddit and I agree. I dislike the censorship, but I don't care for the toxic hate communities either. There are a few sites being thrown around now, hopefully this one will attract more of the intellectual/discussion oriented people and the other sites will attract the more toxic elements of the site.

Un0thing  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

the other 2 main sites seem more like reddit clones than anything else. I doubt they'll have any staying power. I kind of doubt this site will have any staying power either, but who knows? It's something different. Maybe it'll catch on.

tchiseen  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The last thing this place needs is the angriest and most reactionary that Reddit has to offer finding their way here.
I don't really feel angry, and I don't feel like 'reactionary' is the best way to describe it. For me, it's more like the straw that broke the camel's back.

But I agree with you that seeing a good site flooded with pseduorevolutionary brats will probably tend to make one depressed.

MCHammerBro  ·  3453 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just came here cause I thought it looked like a neat website with a chill atmosphere :)