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fred  ·  4889 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Cost of slaves falls to historic low
Unfortunately, CNN does very little to help us find the answer.

This is a very important subject, but CNN gives a guy playing with a touch-screen and almost no details.

Kevin Bales is more than just "an expert": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bales

Dr. Bales gave a TED talk too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUM2rCIUdeI&feature=sub





alpha0  ·  4889 days ago  ·  link  ·  
The world is a very strange place full of touchy subjects.

I confidently guess that for most of us (reading) the notion of owning of another human being is beyond the pale and monsterous, but obviously a subset of the humans think it the most natural state of affairs and have done so from the very beginning. It is also not a biological phenomena unique to the Human.

It does remain open to debate (or self reflection) to what extent our 'finer' sensibilities are hand-me-downs (per evolving norms) or based on an authentic inner reaction. The problem of historic figures -- men of apparently otherwise good qualities and clearly possessing of good minds -- who apparently did not opt out of slave ownership could suggest that ethics and morality are entirely artificial (i.e. they were intellectual "victims" of their time), but that would seem to be a self-defeating position to take. I personally do not subscribe to a plastic notion of ethics that is merely a product of the times.

I would like to think -- how can I prove it? -- that however tenuous, the rooted-ness of at least some aspects of the mind in the body would necessitate that certain matters in the domain of thought and being, e.g. morality and ethics, be constrained by the 'bias' of the (relatively) static (in evolutionary terms) body. To me that suggests that the fundamental governing thoughts of a thinking species (granting the non-uniqueness of the human mind) can not be purely products of contextual forces. (The most basic form of empathy is mirrored sense response and doesn't really require an advanced cultural or civilizational context to be affective.)

Also note that the notion of 'exploitation' firmly bound with slavery in our modern minds is clearly an orthogonal matter: from ancient times it was understood that the fundamental feature of the relationship concerned the exercise of (free) will. At times and places, the relationship was in fact cast and viewed in a paternalistic light.

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The price is alarming: our value is apparently dropping. (Damn those robots!)

[tongue in vicinity of cheeks, hasn't really committed yet.]

p.s. It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of proponents of strong-AI in this context.

(e.g. an example of the paternalistic approach: http://images.wikia.com/2001/images/0/05/Chandra.jpg )

mk  ·  4888 days ago  ·  link  ·  
The problem of historic figures -- men of apparently otherwise good qualities and clearly possessing of good minds -- who apparently did not opt out of slave ownership could suggest that ethics and morality are entirely artificial (i.e. they were intellectual "victims" of their time), but that would seem to be a self-defeating position to take.

And what if this the extent of it? Of course we have aversions and preferences that we cannot physiologically escape, but what if everything else is balanced on top? Is it possible that this isn't a cynical perspective? Can it empower us?

The price is alarming: our value is apparently dropping. (Damn those robots!)

Who knows? They might be more capable of compassion than we. If educated societies are more socially empathetic, then maybe smarter robots will save us from ourselves. :/