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nowaypablo  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What science excites you?

    I could use the same equations to design the rear suspension of a car as I could to develop an oscillator for a synth as to predict the ebb and flow of wolf populations in the Siberian tundra.

Whaaaaa :D

See, this is what I'm talkin' about! Where the hell was this when I spent a month learning that absolute values can't be negative?





kleinbl00  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ahhh, grasshopper - it's all related. Here's Euler's formula at its simplest:

There you go. Every number in the universe comes from that. High School is about basic proficiency. College is where you learn to dance. The future is bright, my friend.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3573 days ago  ·  link  ·  
kleinbl00  ·  3573 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But then it doesn't include zero, thus defeating the purpose of the statement.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3573 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Check out the rest of the video. The main purpose is to use tau instead of pi, showing how much more intuitive it is.

kleinbl00  ·  3573 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Of that I have no doubts. My whole point was that when it was shown to me that the basic, fundamental constants of mathematics were all related such that they could be thrown into one equation and have it balance, I truly appreciated the beauty of math.

b_b  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    See, this is what I'm talkin' about! Where the hell was this when I spent a month learning that absolute values can't be negative?

It's a non-trivial point though. As you'll learn eventually, when solving differential equations the obtained values are often positive, even when the "correct" answer could be positive or negative. Therefore, you have to phrase the whole thing in terms of absolute values. Learning high school arithmetic is painfully boring, but it becomes useful eventually. So far, no one has found a way to make it not boring from the start.

FYI, what kb is referring to above in the text you quoted is the Harmonic Oscillator, which is the most important solution to Newton's second law (although you'll learn nothing of it until calc-based physics). It basically rules the world.

user-inactivated  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Arithmetic is interesting on its own if you look at it right, but you still have to learn it the boring way first. The same thing happens in college, where you get 4 semesters of mindnumbing calculus classes, then you get to take analysis and see all the cool stuff that got glossed over in favor of tables of antiderivatives and computational tricks.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  3573 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I recently saw a video by a mathematician who earned the MacArthur Genius Grant. He said that the way math is currently taught can be related to how much is taught. Currently, 1st year math is like learning a C major scale. 2nd year, G major. 3rd year D major and so on and so forth. You get no where that way, there's no application. The man who won the award is working toward revamping how it's taught.

nowaypablo  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Learning high school arithmetic is painfully boring, but it becomes useful eventually

Of course, you're right. that's just my impatience talking. Not a great example either, but something like the concept of absolute values can be learned as it's being applied too. And with more memorable purpose at that. I'm speaking for the sake of haste, efficiency, I guess.

Not that I or most people want to spend all day learning, either. That's an argument of it's own of course.

mknod  ·  3575 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The best part about physics is not the physics but the training your brain gets from thinking about things in a whole and different manner.

The best way to pass a physics class is not to know any formulas.