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organicAnt  ·  3589 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How did you find yourself?

    I think you're too aggressive.

I fail to see which part of "be kind to animals" is aggressive. It might be inconvenient or annoying, I can even understand how it can be interpreted as rude but aggressive?

    I only bring it up when I'm offered food or it becomes extremely relevant, generally when this happens the person(s) I'm speaking with already consider me a friend.

That is great and it's something kind of inevitable, to talk about your lifestyle when it comes up. How often does that happen online? Do you think that a passive attitude is sufficient to stop cruelty? You do not think that those being abused deserve a more proactive approach?

I do realise that it'll be less effective to force people to think about something than waiting for the subject to come up. But what's the option? To just sit back and let discrimination go on unchallenged? We wouldn't do that regarding other types of discrimination, why should we regarding animal discrimination? Should we speak only when we are allowed by those contributing to the problem we're tying to solve?





caelum19  ·  3589 days ago  ·  link  ·  

By aggressive I mean persistent and forceful, not 'mean' or 'angry' I suppose there was a clearer word I could use. I'm not great with words.

    That is great and it's something kind of inevitable, to talk about your lifestyle when it comes up. How often does that happen online? Do you think that a passive attitude is sufficient to stop cruelty?

Online, not very often. I sort of avoided mentioning it because I don't want my first impression to be shaped by my diet or poltical views. Maybe now that I'm a bit more known on Hubski I won't avoid it anymore.

I think a passive attitude is the most effective, since the aim for me is to have a productive conversation, where both people come out happier, smarter and/or maybe one of us will have a different view. I don't think an aggressive attitude will yield any of those, atleast for me it never does.

    But what's the option? To just sit back and let discrimination go on unchallenged? We wouldn't do that regarding other types of discrimination

Certainly not to sit back and do nothing, there are lots of other things you can do. Like getting into government, protesting against companies you know act cruely to their animals(Curious, is there a way of getting meat you're okay with?), helping people transition to a vegan diet, coming up with good vegan recipes, maybe entering them in grubski if you're not muted from that(I heard you were posting pictures of baby animals there?). Simply by not buying meat you're promoting the vegan diet.

organicAnt  ·  3589 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sorry, I'm exhausted from trying to justify my methods. I do what I do because I care for those that are suffering. I'm sorry if you find me inconvenient, but that's not going to make me stop. Ultimately everyone has the choice to ignore me. The sad thing is, all this time we wasted talking about me and what are and aren't acceptable forms of activism would have been way better spent talking about those who can't talk. That is the real tragedy, not the inconvenience I caused on some stupid online post.

caelum19  ·  3589 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Don't be sorry. I consider this to be a good conversation, I learned a lot about my own opinions, why I have them and your opinions and why you have them.

I'm sorry I exhausted you. who knows? maybe one day you'll see my points and maybe one day I'll see yours.

organicAnt  ·  3586 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sorry too buddy. All the best to you.