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user-inactivated  ·  3636 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Japan’s sexual apathy

Nope. The homogenous culture I am thinking of (not a fan of people telling me what I'm thinking) is a bunch of Scandinavians, or nearly so. Correct me if I'm wrong, certainly, but those five minorities you mention -- all of them are pretty Scandinavian. Finns. The Flemish. Or Sami that have been there for five millennia. Etc. On a far, far, far different order of magnitude of heterogeneity than the US, or I'd imagine, even France. A common refrain from anthropologists and so on to the people who point to Sweden as a utopia is that with a tiny and relatively homogenous population, it's a hell of a lot easier to be a utopia. They are correct.

In any case, importing skilled laborers (or indeed Jews, as history bears out) into an already healthy population is very different from having a wholesale different culture enter yours and, because of low birth rates, begin to replace it. That's not happening yet, but it could. And "immigration" isn't a carte blanche key to survival for Japan, as if the only problem is having enough bodies, never mind what their culture and beliefs are.

    If we didn't have immigration we wouldn't be the country we are today.

Undoubtedly. That neither means that all immigrants are created equal nor that replacing all Swedes in a microsecond with a corresponding immigrant would fix the problem. Reduced to the absurd, surely you can see that doesn't make any sense.

EDIT: I'm not sure about the Roma. They've tended to be outliers throughout history. In any case, the number of Swedish Roma is miniscule.





swedishbadgergirl  ·  3636 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, they/you are correct - it easier when you have a population that are largely raised with the same cultural values to keep those values - but when those values begin to include "Don't let anyone in that doesn't look like us because our utopia might be ruined" it is no longer an utopia. At least not to me.

And by the way - Sweden isn't an utopia. More than 10 percent of our population votes for a fascist party, our school system is fucked up after a few reforms, and generally the view of Sweden as a socialist utopia is widely outdated. It was in the 1980 we were the most equal country. Since then we've become one of the countries in which social inequalities are rising the fastest.

I mean, we've had riots.

I'm not saying letting everyone in to the country will keep it perfect, spotless and crimefree - but that is not why you welcome asylum seekers.

You welcome them because they are fellow humans and you can offer them a better life and an escape from the hell they're trying to escape from. The fact that it helps birthrates is just a bonus really.

And yes I know I've gotten riled up - and that telling someone that they're thinking is a shitty thing to do . But you are trying to explain my country and culture to me - someone who has grown up, gone to school, and lived there.

user-inactivated  ·  3636 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    And by the way - Sweden isn't an utopia. More than 10 percent of our population votes for a fascist party, our school system is fucked up after a few reforms, and generally the view of Sweden as a socialist utopia is widely outdated. It was in the 1980 we were the most equal country. Since then we've become one of the countries in which social inequalities are rising the fastest.

Yes.

    You welcome them because they are fellow humans and you can offer them a better life and an escape from the hell they're trying to escape from. The fact that it helps birthrates is just a bonus really.

Yes.

    And yes I know I've gotten riled up - and that telling someone that they're thinking is a shitty thing to do . But you are trying to explain my country and culture to me - someone who has grown up, gone to school, and lived there.

Just guessing based on book really, as ever. I'm very drunk now it didn' take long but we have highlighted the things we agree on here. Immigration isn't bad it also isn't a panacea.