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comment by kleinbl00

    This may be asking for a lot, but if I could, what is your opinion on Marxism?

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So - b_b recommended Richard Pipes. I read Communism: A History. It paralleled nicely with the story of Communism as presented in The Dead Hand and Postwar. That story is as follows:

Marxism-Leninism was a sham. It was a pseudointellectual kleptocracy masquerading as economic theory and was, effectively, the economic and political equivalent of Lysenkoism. The October Revolution did not bring in a new wealth of ideas, it destroyed the Romanov dynasty and replaced it with Stalin, whose actions and behaviors weren't dissimilar.

The Soviet Union fell for two reasons: first, that the system was really and truly running out of steam and the detriment of collectivization would have crashed and burned the economy within 20 years anyway. Second, Gorbachev was the first Soviet premier that wasn't a direct part of Stalin's circle and the first "true believer" in Communism. As such, he worked to eliminate the corruption inherent in the Soviet system so that Communism could truly flourish; unfortunately it was the corruption that was keeping the system running so left to its own devices, Communism imploded.

John Lewis Gaddis observed in The Cold War: A New History that the 20th century was essentially about two economic systems grinding each other to nibs - on the one side, capitalism as exemplified by the United States; on the other, socialism as exemplified by the Soviet Union. He further observed that the most successful countries of the 20th century (and 21st) tend to pick somewhere in the middle, as with France, Sweden, etc.

All things in moderation, essentially - but socialism ain't Marxism, not by a long shot.





blackbootz  ·  3676 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I should of clarified, I meant your opinion on the idea of Marxism, not so much the history of a bunch of thugs vying among each other and the United States. I have a little bit of familiarity with the history of the Soviet Union, particularly it in its later stages. I've read A New History and also my father is a Muscovite who hustled jeans and dodged military conscription (by faking insanity) as the Soviet Union fell.

kleinbl00  ·  3676 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think i can say anything intelligent about theoretical Marxism. I haven't read Das Kapital and the criticism I've read of it was one-sided. Piketty probably got the furthest in even-handedness; he said the book prompted a useful discussion but was utterly beteft of data or analysis.

briandmyers  ·  3677 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting. I recently read "A People's History of the World", and it also claimed that what happened last century in the Soviet Union was not true socialism; that author sometimes referred to the Soviet/Stalinist system as "state capitalism".

kleinbl00  ·  3676 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I haven't read anything that would cause me to assign the name "capitalism" to any aspect of the Soviet system. The phrase I hear most is "command economy." From my understanding, the key aspect of "capitalism" is the market and market forces as the moderating action over prices, scarcity, etc. Under Marxism/Leninism, the planned economy dictated prices, mandated scarcity and abundance, and assigned profitability. In theory, this was all accomplished through science in altruism. In practice it was accomplished through cronyism and opportunism. The czarist system was replaced with the nomenklatura, who were every bit as hereditary and protected a class as the bourgeoisie.

briandmyers  ·  3676 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I thought it was odd usage also, but I believe the author chose that term to emphasise that the Soviet system was in no way run by or for the workers, in spite of the socialist rhetoric. Stalin wanted a productive economy, and he got one, at a huge human cost.

kleinbl00  ·  3676 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us."

- old Soviet proletariat joke