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galen  ·  3743 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Let's talk about two things they say never to talk about:

    With regards to your anecdote, I think the contradiction diminishes if you consider him to value only innocent life. If the convict has been condemned, barring error on part of the justice system, then he is not innocent.

OK, I'm totally making an unfair assumption about this guy's religious beliefs here, but for the sake of argument, and because there are definitely people in the world who share his views and definitely have these religious beliefs, let's assume that this guy's a fundamentalist Christian. Is there really such a thing as innocent life, in "his" opinion? I would argue not: see original sin. So assuming (as he does) that an unborn child is alive, they have sinned. Is it not then justified to kill them? If not, then how does one justify killing a convicted criminal?





fireballs619  ·  3743 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Most fundamental Christians believe that the guilt of original sin bars them from entering Heaven, not that it warrants their death. They believe that it is only through the grace of God that sinners (i.e. everyone) can enter Heaven. This is why you don't see them going around murdering people.

galen  ·  3743 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right, but committing murder is just another sin. What makes it so different that it warrants death?

_refugee_  ·  3741 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Great point. This is the part where if a Christian begins arguing that it does warrant death, you quote about turning the other cheek - but unfortunately those discussions aren't ones that either side wins, no matter how well you know your Bible.

thenewgreen  ·  3741 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I had the conversation that spawned this post with a devout christian. My response wasn't about turning the other check, but about the adulteress that was about to be stoned. There was a circle of men around her, prepared to stone her for adultery. Jesus stepped in (like the bad ass motherfucker that he was) and said, "let ye without sin cast the first stone." -I said the to the guy I was talking with that if he wanted to kill people as punishment, first he needed to find someone without sin to pull the lever.

crickets.....

fireballs619  ·  3743 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not sure, tbh. I was just arguing that fundamental Christians can still see 'innocent life' in the sense that they do not deserve whatever has happened to them, while still acknowledging that none are worthy of entering Heaven by themselves.