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user-inactivated  ·  3799 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Supreme Court sides with Hobby Lobby on contraception mandate

This is a perfect example of how the American government is rotten to the core. Electoral action is useless in the face of a partisan Supreme Court and a sold-out legislative and executive. It's time to stop voting and start organizing and taking direct action against those who would limit freedom.





pseydtonne  ·  3799 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So... ummm... mass lynchings? What does "direct action" mean? I assume that means taking the law into your own hands, which is kind of what five white guys just did.

Ooh, ooh! Can we blare loud music at Congress the way they got Noriega to leave Panama? How about adding that blast wave thing that makes you feel like puking if you don't disperse? Someone could set up a few along K Street and claim it's a new form of pest control.

I'm not going to stop voting. Too many people died or got beat up to get me that right. I don't piss on my ancestors' graves (especially the ones that built the interfaith cemetery where I already have a plot... don't ask).

The annoying slam to the lunatic right has gone about as far as commerce can stand. Texas is turning roads back to gravel because they refuse to raise the taxes for highway maintenance. That's a signature end-of-civ move. When you annoy enough businesses, things happen.

user-inactivated  ·  3798 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is direct action. So is this, this, and this.

If you really want to vote, I suggest you find your local general assembly, rather than sticking a piece of paper into a glorified trash can.

nowaypablo  ·  3796 days ago  ·  link  ·  

both you and pseydtonne are right. It's ignorant to stop voting and void the struggles of our national history.. but it is ignorant to assume it is anything more than, and I laughed out loud at this, sticking a piece of paper into a glorified trash can.

pseydtonne  ·  3796 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It is ignorant to assume that voting is that valueless. Instead of going off because none of you seem to remember 1965 and the people that got beat up so you could vote, I will focus on the process (whether you approve of it or not).

Let's say you don't vote. I assume you won't. I do. Let's assume we live in the same riding. My vote will be what you call the memory hole while yours won't. My candidate would win. You don't get the laws you want.

Now let's take it further. Imagine we both want the same candidate to win. Let's say it's also a district with a religious population (we got a lot of those in the US). Pentecostals will vote, because their churches get them to vote. Then it'll be all their votes versus ours... sorry, mine. Fundies get their way and we lose our rights.

You can keep your childish ignorance. If you don't think the above happens, you haven't been paying attention since 1980.

nowaypablo  ·  3796 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Im sorry friend you must've misunderstood me. I think we should exercise our right to vote, always, whenever the opportunity arises and as individuals we feel like placing our vote on the subject.

Meanwhile, however, on the sole and direct circumstance of a U.S. presidential election, a non-Representative American citizen's vote does not decide who will lead the country. That doesn't mean we should vote for the rep of our choice, the senator, mayor, local legislation, or any opportunity including even that 'useless' vote on presidents because our ancestors fought for our right to do so, and our input at least as a statistic is recorded too.

I never said I won't vote. Don't get me wrong.