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p3k  ·  3842 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Let's bring gender issues into riding a bike!

Gender issues will be necessary to be discussed everywhere as long as there is a significant injustice between the various genders. If you do not see these issues you probably might be privileged by them.



veen  ·  3842 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On a phone so typooos.

    If ypou do not see these issues you migjt be privileged by them

Or they arent there and this article os bullshitting.

Could you point me to the injustice that isnt just a stereotype? I did say I was biased; living in a country where everyone bikes makes it so that my perspective of biking is just as a method of transportation, and nothong else. Is there a significant injustice that im missing here?

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user-inactivated  ·  3842 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I did say I was biased; living in a country where everyone bikes makes it so that my perspective of biking is just as a method of transportation, and nothong else.

This is probably the main thing preventing you from understanding the article. It seems to be focused on America where cycling is pretty rare and the culture and attitudes surrounding it are pretty harsh.

As for gender-based injustice, it's society-wide, and may often manifest in nonobvious ways. It's not useful to get offended or act incredulous when someone attempts to discuss the subject.

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veen  ·  3842 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This is probably the main thing preventing you from understanding the article. It seems to be focused on America where cycling is pretty rare and the culture and attitudes surrounding it are pretty harsh.

I wasn't aware of such harsh attitudes around biking, and it didn't match my pre-existing ideas on biking (I thought that they were overthinking something that doesn't need to be thought of this way). Besides, the article only shows responses of people who feel strongly about the subject, so it might be self-selection bias. So my first response was to reject this article's premise.

    As for gender-based injustice, it's society-wide, and may often manifest in nonobvious ways. It's not useful to get offended or act incredulous when someone attempts to discuss the subject.

If I gave the impression that I was trying to disprove / be offended by gender-based injustice in anything but this specific case, I am sorry, that was not my intention. I understand that it can be an important discussion to be had, it just seemed bizarre to me that the article would discuss gender problems with biking on a similar level as other, more apparent gender issues. Especially this sentence struck me as odd:

    Like any gender conversation, this one is subjective, nuanced, messy, and sometimes perplexing.

To me, the article seemed to address problems that weren't there, which at best is ridiculous and at worst detrimental to the biking culture.

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p3k  ·  3842 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Are you suggesting a stereotype cannot be (based on) an injustice? Frankly, I do not get the distinction here.

From my point of view the article describes the injustice in such a way that you are regarded as effeminate or weak riding a bicycle, especially if it is not a racing model.

However, I understood your question more generally and in broader terms asking why gender issues have to be everywhere. Most of the time this question arises from a privileged perspective when someone never experienced or acknowledged the experience of injustice, discrimination or inequality based on his/her gender.

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