I stumbled upon a fact. Apparently, Reddit's general rule of thumb for self-published work by a user is that it should account for 10% or less of submissions on reddit.
This honestly baffles me. And it doesn't just exist on Reddit. The internet seems to really, really dislike when you post your own content (Hubski and maybe Youtube excluded). It's always regarded as shilling, or pandering for something.
When did sharing your own work on the internet become such a taboo thing to do? Now it can't be your art or poem, it has to be your brother's, or your girlfriend with cancer. It's very strange to me and I'd like to get some insight.
Thoughts?
The problem with your question (and it's a good question) is that it can be answered on many levels... and without answering it on those many levels, you get an incomplete picture. At the most basic level, the problem is one of parameter mismatch as described by Jaron Lanier in You Are Not A Gadget and Dan Ariely in Predictably Irrational. From Lanier's perspective, "anonymity" is a spectrum, not a binary quality, and those with more of it hold those with less of it to different standards. Consumers on the internet tend to have complete anonymity while producers on the internet have conditional anonymity - you don't know who made that Oreos commercial, but you know they work for General Mills, for example. Self-promotion from a known quantity - General Mills, Snoop Dogg, Stephen Fry - is A-OK because everyone knows it's the identified pandering to the anonymous. The anonymous pandering to the anonymous is A-OK because flashes in the pan and "viral" posts are the bread and butter of social media. But because "viral" anything is the holy grail of advertising, the anonymous internet regards all polished things not flying the banner of their creation with suspicion and hostility. From Ariely's perspective, we hold "friends" and "vendors" in different parts of our head and when our friends act like vendors, we feel betrayed. There are two different standards for them. This is why Amway and Avon are so insidious but so successful: your friends get a pass on behaviors that you would never tolerate from a business, but they're businesses marketed through your friends. In social media, "friends" are the other anonymous hordes like ourselves. "Vendors" are those who we buy shit from. The Internet is A-OK with vendors being vendors and friends being friends but the minute a friend becomes a vendor, fuck them in the neck. That's why people go to one Tupperware Party if any. The next level is one of cynicism. The Internet was supposed to be the great equalizer, providing a forum for anyone with talent. Unfortunately, it provides a forum for anyone with a talent for promotion via the Internet. I wholeheartedly recommend Ryan Holiday's Trust Me, I'm Lying for a concise yet sweeping analysis of the "wagging the dog" phenomenon of Internet promotion. The mile-high view is that the process is largely dishonest and craven because dishonest and craven is the most effective and efficient way to do things. Consider: Elvis "made it big" but Rebecca Black "went viral." "Virality" (not virulence, because the ad industry needs its own terminology to distance itself from the fact that it's attempting to model itself on disease) is a much-studied specialty that is all about disingenuous promotion through dishonesty and even if "the internet" can't quote chapter and verse on the deceptions, they can smell a rat. Often when there isn't one there, in fact. But really, at the base of it, the Internet hates self-promotion because the internet doesn't know who you are and doesn't care. You can shill your shit on Facebook. You can shill your shit on Tumblr. You can shill your shit anywhere that people expect shit to be shilled... but if you try and sneak into the crowd as a shit shiller, you will be pilloried. 'member back before Facebook had business pages? 'member how pissed people got if you promoted your business on your personal page? Notice how they don't do that anymore now that you can get a business page that plays by business rules? That's pretty much the TL;DR right there - because self-promotion breaks "the rules" of sites like, say, Reddit. If self-serve wasn't such a star-spangled clusterfuck everything would be A-OK. But they've re-jiggered it four times now and it's still a long way from useful.
If you promote your work, there's nothing to stop it from being shit. If someone else promotes it, then at least one person must have liked it. But I think it really depends on the website. Not all social media websites have the same aims and community as Reddit.
It's hard to even say what the aim of reddit's community is. At least on the defaults, it's so starkly divided between voting a certain type of content to the top, and then nearly every comment lamenting the same post, saying things like, "Who votes this crap to the top?" I'd describe the phenomenon as online doublethink or at least a collective cognitive dissonance. It's really frustrating to see, more so to moderate. In more regards to the topic at hand, it's definitely acceptable to promote your own content on reddit, depending on what type it is and how you frame it in the title of your post. Videos and pictures are typically accepted without much framing beyond "I happened to perfectly time this picture" or "I'm a film student and I spend 100s of hours editing my senior project." Personal blog posts, on the other hand, are loathed. It's written into the "constitution" of reddit that they're disallowed. I don't get the hate because comments this day in age essentially resemble blog posts. I've even converted posts from my own blog into comments with great success. They got "best of'd," several people gave me gold, and tens of thousands of people read them I imagine. Whereas if I'd just linked my blog, everyone would see me as a self-centered user trying to get attention for my own content. So yeah, framing your own content correctly--or perhaps masking it correctly--seems to be the biggest factor, not whether or not you created it.
Don't know if you saw this thread 8bit but we had an interesting discussion on the topic a while back. It's the only thread I have stickier, I found it encouraging because I did struggle with self-posting my own stuff. Felt guilty about it? Anyway, now I just think about that post and all's good.
Hey thanks for the link _refugee_, that was about a week before I joined Hubski, but the discussion it generated is, give or take, way better than what we've got goin here, for obvious reasons. Don't worry teamramonycajal, everybody gets their kleinbro cherry popped at some point. Relevant gifs for everyone else
Interesting; I didn't know kleinbl00 was a bit of a raging sexist 3 years ago. From the 'Coital Harmony' post: Is this a threat? Is 'your world' a place where you consider women property, kleinbl00? Is a world where both sexes are treated like people suddenly a world belonging to women? This speaks very, very poorly about men - certainly at least kleinbl00's perception. Nice generalization about women's behavior you got going there. At least for my part I openly criticize women who mention the sort of subterfuge you describe, and don't think for a moment that men don't engage in it either - what of the dude who decides he's going to lie his way into some girl's pants? For that matter, all this nonsense reinforces a dynamic where women are seen as the gatekeepers (and things like slut-shaming and not having sex on the first date are seen as violations of this stupid notion by many other women) and men are seen as the seekers, and that's just fucking archaic. No, this is not a 'women' thing. This is a 'stupid and insecure human' thing. There are any number of men out there who go after either dumb or abusive women for some reason or another and ignore the awesome ones at their doorstep. Nice assumption that we're all stupid or nasty enough to report someone to the police that we didn't want to have sex with. Again, this is not a 'women' thing. This is an 'asshole' thing. I hope kleinbl00 doesn't seriously still think this about all women, because this is some grade-A bullshit. I had more respect for you when I came on this website, kleinbl00. You just lost a shit-ton of it. EDIT: Since I am not above posting more delightful dirt, a selection of replies to kleinbl00's reddit post: centropomus, 95 points Here, by the way, is the Coital Harmony thread. With kleinbl00's name at the top of it. Flame me, ostracize me from Hubski, whatever, but Hubski deserves to know what one of its most beloved commenters thinks or evidently at least thought 3 years ago. EDIT: So I mentioned below that if I decided to leave Hubski, you'd all realistically just fade away to me like you never existed; in kleinbl00's case, maybe he'd fade away as one of those whiny misogynists that Reddit has a problem with. Another TRPer or ungenuine Men's Rights activist or beatingwomen subscriber.I also want you to consider this: Your entire sexual mentality is based around ritual, flirtation, compromise, subterfuge and other things straight out of a Danielle Fucking Steele book. Our sexual mentality, on the other hand, is grab & fuck. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a half dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property. If we wanted in your pantaloons we'd fucking ask your dad, not you. So next time you get all catty and bitchy about shit, remember that we're dealing with our instincts in your world and try not to be too fucking complicated about it. 'cuz you know what? We might just decide you aren't fucking worth it.
That's why, by the way, you're always bitching about how there are no nice guys yet you consistently turn down gentlemen and date thugs. It's because they're callous enough to ignore you and power through your bullshit.
You live in a world where rape is common and where you hold vigils just to raise awareness. Thing of it is, we live in that world, too - and what it means for us is that if you decide three weeks from now that you didn't want to have sex as much in retrospect as you did in actuality, our lives are fucking OVER.
As a guy who is very much NOT "forever alone", this is fucking bullshit. Girls who play these sorts of games aren't worth the trouble. Some of them grow up into women who aren't a total pain in the ass, and some of them end up with guys who have bad judgment or a fetish for trouble. When I decided I was sick of dating girls, and ready to date women, things turned around quite quickly for me.
Am I the only one who finds this whole tirade rather disgusting and sexist? - The_Reckoning, 19 points
No, but all the other sane and normally-developed guys who aren't relationally traumatized are too busy being productive or living happily with their partners to bother getting neck-deep into this shit. -room23, 13 points
Ohhh, padewan. You act as if you've discovered something new and shiny, a splinter of rage to haul out and shine in the sun for other Keyboard Kommandoes to rally around and sharpen their pitchforks against. That post is older than Tumblr, my friend. Older than SRS. Older than the banning of /r/creepshots, older than /r/creepshots. It has been quoted out of context again and again and again and again and again to the point where the White Knighting associated with it has become a part of the fabric of the Internet Universe. You are, in effect, sharing the tragic story of Animal Crossing: ...without recognizing that it's a very specific parody of a game you've never played that's dependent on understanding that "mom" piles shit on you when you're not playing the game.
Let's examine the post for what it is: 1) A deliberate, over-the-top, Tucker Max/Maddox-grade insult fest. Can you think of anyone outside of Lee Ermey that starts "serious" discussions this way? So to anyone with a sense of irony, it's pretty clear from Sentence One ("Waah, waaah, waaaah. And you fuckers wonder why you're Forever Alone") that we're in the land of the deliberately offensive. 2) An argument for understanding based on the extreme positions held by either party. You know what quote never gets thrown in my face on this one? It's always been funny to me that nobody has ever given me shit for accusing women of being quixotic, insensate, antagonistic and denigrating to men. It's a much more offensive passage, yet for some reason the Keyboard Kommandos of the Internet have never cared. I suspect it's because White Knights do picture women this way so they don't get bent about it. On the other hand, every third virgin on the internet always quotes your favorite phrase up there, and always with the same "emphasis added" that you used. 3) A response to a woman-hating circle-jerk that changed the discussion completely. It's interesting to me (that's a lie - it's dreary, predictable and entirely expected) that you didn't mention the image I'm responding to. It's interesting to me (also a lie yadda yadda) that you decided to quote other reddit users - total strangers to me - as if I were somehow responsible for their content. Using your rules, you are now responsible for the content of this comment. 4) Factually accurate. Let's change the emphasis a bit, shall we? We'll do it in sentence order, which is the grammatically correct emphasis for the passage: It's that "a half-dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property" that always gets the virgins upset. But you know what? Let's take a generation as 20 years, since that's kind of statistically accepted. It's 2014 - I wrote that comment in 2010 but we'll spot you 4. "A half-dozen generations" is 120 years, or 1894. Can you guess the date of universal women's suffrage in the United States without looking it up? I'll give you a hint - It's less than five generations ago. Here's an equally old Reddit post about relationship hacks. I wholeheartedly welcome any attempts you wish to make to paint me as a misogynist from this one - at least you'd be treading new ground. Do me a solid and read it first, though - "wedding rings" came about in the 1930s (4 generations ago!) because women weren't being bought and sold like cattle any more. And if you look at that thread, you'll discover that a preponderance of dating miscues are related to one simple fact: A half-dozen generations ago, women were de-facto property. ___________________________________________________________________ So. rage-quit. Know that you'll be the fifth person, that I know of, to have QQ'd social media because I am such a misogynist (such power!). Know that I'm the only person - that I know of - to have tripped the troll filter in both /r/mensrights and /r/radicalfeminism. And know that it's absolutely not necessary to: When simply correcting you is so much more satisfying. Know what would be novel? Know what would be something new under the sun? Apologizing for mischaracterizing my statements for fun and profit. 'cuz nobody has ever done that before.Lemme talk to the chowderheads with peckers real quick here. You chowderheads with pussies - you're next. But first, the testicled:
"The pooty is up for grabs. In order to claim it you must satisfy the arbitrary set of standards put forth by me, put forth by my mother, put forth by my culture, put forth by my instinct and put forth by my genetics to the satisfaction of all of the above. What those standards are is theoretically and factually irrelevant - the only thing that matters is your dexterity and willingness to run the gauntlet."
I also want you to consider this: Your entire sexual mentality is based around ritual, flirtation, compromise, subterfuge and other things straight out of a Danielle Fucking Steele book. Our sexual mentality, on the other hand, is grab & fuck. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a half dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property.
Flame me, ostracize me from Hubski, whatever,
In the context of this thread, assuming that someone uses the same username on a different website, (and "research" aka comment history indicates that they do) I hope you find this link as rich as I do
All that needs to be said about that. I do think this isn't something that should have been posted here. What happens on reddit shouldn't really have much relevance and while you clearly weren't the first one to dig up an old quote, that's not particularly a reason to do it all. It's not uncharitable, it's just pointless.I craft. I find it useful.
Right, so you're expecting me to be a mind-reader (I'm not even remotely familiar with Tucker Max beyond him being known for being a dickhead) and to have played Animal Crossing (I'm not a gamer, never really was). Good job. There are much more illustrative ones. I don't need to use that one. See that again? Not only expecting to be a mind-reader and a gamer but also a virgin. I'm not, but I didn't see that as relevant. I saw it. It's dreary, it's stupid, but it's just a couple of people being morons and expecting people - in this case, men - to read their minds when in fact people's actions aren't always THAT telling of their motivations. Subtext only goes so far. I didn't think it was worth commenting on, for my own part. What WAS worth commenting on was your response in which you, I guess, expect people to stretch their necks through the internet and understand you crystal-clear. It's trite as fuck to note this, but that's because it's true - sarcasm carries poorly on the internet, and in this case, were it not for you TELLING me that this was a satire, it really does look for all the world like an idiot complaining about another set of idiots and everybody's idioting for different reasons. Now let's get to this last point: Original highlighting reproduced. Notice that I did not highlight the first two sentences. Also, I highlighted the last one. There it is again. And I said this: So I ask you again. Is it? You are remarkably full of yourself. You know what quote never gets thrown in my face on this one?
every third virgin on the internet
you didn't mention the image I'm responding to
I also want you to consider this: Your entire sexual mentality is based around ritual, flirtation, compromise, subterfuge and other things straight out of a Danielle Fucking Steele book. Our sexual mentality, on the other hand, is grab & fuck. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a half dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property. If we wanted in your pantaloons we'd fucking ask your dad, not you. So next time you get all catty and bitchy about shit, remember that we're dealing with our instincts in your world and try not to be too fucking complicated about it. 'cuz you know what? We might just decide you aren't fucking worth it.
So next time you get all catty and bitchy about shit, remember that we're dealing with our instincts in your world and try not to be too fucking complicated about it. 'cuz you know what? We might just decide you aren't fucking worth it.
Is a world where both sexes are treated like people suddenly a world belonging to women?
No, I'm expecting you to read my writing, rather than cherry-pick it for things to take out of context so you can be outraged. We've interacted enough that you owe me at least that small amount of introspection. The Animal Crossing dig was for your "TIL that something you like CAUSES CANCER" approach to the subject:Interesting; I didn't know kleinbl00 was a bit of a raging sexist 3 years ago.
I saw the paragraphs below the horizontal line, too. It's still not immediately apparent from the writing itself that you're making some kind of convoluted joke. You tarred both sexes - not just women - with a broad brush. Similarly, the 'domination games' you talk about are not what I'd call equal - 'try to interpret my nebulous and ambiguous signals tee hee but I'm not forcing you to keep coming after me' is, I would say, a good bit less dominatey than 'fuck you bitch your freedom exists because we allow it to and if we wanted we could go back to me buying you from Daddy and once we're married I can rape you whenever I want'. I mean, if the difference isn't blatantly obvious to you I don't know how to help you. Most importantly, you're not really decrying it and you're merely reinforcing it, a 'sorry, kiddies, this is how it be, you better take part in it'. EDIT: I get it. I'm not 'hip to the interwebs' after reading more of the commentary here. I've heard of Maddox, but if I'd bothered looking more at his stuff I would have recognized the references. I don't know about Animal Crossing or the references. Neither have I seen Full Metal Jacket. This reminds me a bit of the 4chan debacle where FOX News and Oprah claimed it was a den of pedos because they didn't understand. I'm beginning to see where they were coming from. There's a certain myopia on both sides of the argument. FOX and Oprah didn't take the time to actually get to know 4chan, and 4chan and Reddit expected FOX News and Oprah to immediately know every little intricacy of the site when they were basically strangers to it.
So Sundays I like to walk with my toddler. Roll out the stroller, pop in an audiobook, and venture down on the beach. I'm currently cranking through Max Tegmark's Our Mathematical Universe, which is spectacular, and the day was truly lovely: But today, instead of plumbing the more controversial depths of cosmology, I spent the entire five mile walk trying to come up with a response to you. Feel flattered or horrified as you see fit. The only way to respond, I think, is in three parts. Those three parts are interrelated, unfortunately, and that which should come first dialectically is not that which should come first rhetorically is not that which should come first logically. So don't see this as a list, see it as three points determining the plane of a discussion that we really didn't need to have, but here we are. Those three parts are: - Your lack of rhetorical rigor - Your lack of logical merit - Your lack of manners Let's get started, shall we? ______________________________________________________________________________ Here's the timeline of the discussion above.
1) 8-bit, last night: question about original content and social media 2) Refugee, this morning: comment pointing to a good discussion held several months ago 3) You, an hour later: clumsy segue about my hyperoffensive bombast on another forum to another audience on another subject three years ago This didn't go over well. You seem to suspect it's because there's a Kult of Kleinbl00 around here or something. Let me reassure you: a photo of me raping baby pandas with a drywall saw would have accomplished about as much. It's not that people have rose-colored glasses when it comes to me, it's that this isn't about me. It was a useful and interesting discussion but is no more - I intended to add something this morning because the question interests me and I was too tired last night to say something rational. But that opportunity has been lost. 4) Me, an hour later: patronizing discourse on your self-serving misrepresentation of my argument On Reddit these days I would have ignored you because I no longer give a shit about Reddit. On Reddit three years ago you would have gotten a thermonuclear beatdown that would have cost you hundreds of downvotes. Not a brag; it's a skill I refined - you seem to suspect my writing style represents my emotions rather than my environment when in fact it’s the other way ‘round. Thus, in this forum, it was more useful to give you an answer and a back-door to civility. Civility is the default here. That's one of the reasons I stick around. "Patronizing?" Patronizing because the amount of invective you threw at me can't go unacknowledged no matter how civil the environment, and "patronizing" is the least inflammatory way to answer your onslaught. Moving on: 5) You, an hour later: I don't get your reference. My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid. Which, in places where people don't think very hard, can sway the argument. In discussions where your opponent isn't very clever, can change the subject. Here? With me? It only shows that you want a fight, not a debate. Which I pointed out in 6), an hour later. So now here we are. You've gone from hey guise feel bad for this thing that has nothing to do with you or the subject at hand to although we are now arguing nuance where before I called you "a raging sexist" you are still in the wrong here for not addressing your argument directly to me, directly to my level of understanding and directly to the framework I choose to humor. ______________________________________________________________________ It's shit like this: I never said that. You even quoted what I said: Our mentality. Men's. "Grab and fuck." That’s a direct and unquestionable insult to men,, not women. "A half dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property." A truth you could have attempted to dispute, but didn't. "If we wanted in your pantaloons" - ...are you wearing pantaloons? Have you ever? Have you ever known anyone who did? Have you ever so much as seen pantaloons for sale? - See, that's the problem: the sentence, stripped of its obnoxiousness, is "Men aren't innately acquainted to the modern sexual dynamic where you have any real power because 'modern romance' is exactly that from a sociological perspective." Now - can you imagine that sentence resting peacefully in a giant, steaming pile of bro-speak? Could that, perhaps, be the reason the language is phrased the way it is? And to that you bring “Oprah” and “Fox News” and “4chan.” “There’s a certain myopia on both sides of the argument.” Nobody is arguing but you. You’ve been answered, point by point - on a discussion that doesn’t belong here that nobody here was a part of on a completely different forum three years and more ago. You’ve been responded to calmly and kindly. You’ve attempted to triangulate - twice - to some corner of the world where you can still win, without recognizing that this isn’t a battle anyone needed to have.
_________________________________________________________________ Which is a dick move. Sorry. No better way to put it. I recognize that you are just now learning that I’ve said offensive shit in my life. Sorry that comes as a shock to you. The reasonable thing to do, however, would be to respond to me. Or respond to that post. Or send me a message. Or start a new discussion. Derailing this one? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over. And see, we’ve had a chat or two. You could totally have upbraided and berated me, your abused trust in my sense of decency held up for all to admire. You could have asked me what the fuck I was thinking, saying such horrendous things on a forum known world-wide for sensitivity and kindness (not). If you had, I would have said Sorry my words offended you And we could have had a dialog. See, I’ve had that discussion before, too. One very nice girl, in fact, was deeply hurt because she’d been raped. Okay, that sucks. Did I rape her? No. Am I sensitive to her situation? Yes. Do I think it’s unfortunate that I included “trigger language” in an Internet forum where the original poster was attempting to tar all women with the same disparaging brush? Believe it or not, I do. However, expecting to walk into that discussion and not see “trigger language” was pretty naive. Which is also a discussion I’ve had. So explain this part to me: How does anyone - including yourself - benefit from having THIS discussion HERE and NOW when there are so many more valuable, more satisfying, more interactive and more useful ways to do it? The only real answer is you wanted to stir up shit in a clumsy and ham-handed fashion. Which I resent, and which embarrasses me. There are people I care about here, discussing things that matter to me, and now it’s about me. And by attempting to match me bombast for bombast, all you’ve accomplished is demonstrating that I’m better at words (and given jacobvirgil an opportunity to whinge, for which I’m sure he’s grateful). So kindly cut that shit out. For all of us. We can all ignore you, we can all mute you, but the world will be a better place if instead you choose to keep it in your pants next time. And if not, ask me. I probably have an answer.you talk about…’fuck you bitch your freedom exists because we allow it to and if we wanted we could go back to me buying you from Daddy and once we're married I can rape you whenever I want'.
Our sexual mentality, on the other hand, is grab & fuck. Not to put too fine a point on it, but a half dozen generations ago you bitches were de-facto property. If we wanted in your pantaloons we'd fucking ask your dad, not you.
The amount of drama you're trying to stir up is incredible. Your words are loaded and you're actively trying to start shit for no clear reason other than trying to get pitchforks out. Hush, youdelightful dirt
indeed. "One of hubski'a most beloved commenters." Comparing kb to a men's rights-er. Bringing in ages old reddit posts out of context as if they belong here.
Nobody pointed it out in the other one and I saw a gauntlet-shaped pothole in the ground over which the discussion appeared to be going 'thump thump thump', at least to my eyes, so I decided I'd fill it by, as it were, throwing down the gauntlet. I'm surprised any of Hubski's female users at the time glossed over it. Has Reddit suddenly made it 'uncool' to a huge population of women to, you know, defend their own interests and not be a huge doormat in the style of Stereotypical Christian Conservative Housewife Brainless Walking Baby Machine? (I blame SRS for this in part, in addition to the just plain misogynist elements on Reddit. I am staunchly feminist, and I hate SRS with a burning, burning passion because they took the fundamental legitimacy of feminism and warped it with their own twisted, bereft-of-reading-comprehension-or-nuance, often logic-free rhetoric - they're playing right into the hands of the right-wingy types and the stereotypes they hold.) kleinbl00's only word on it, in the very linked thread: Justifiably so. kleinbl00, take that badge off my Eurovision post. I don't want one from you.Sooooo much drama from that comment.
I don't ignore it, I just understand the context in which it was written, and the voice in which it was written. Context is everything. You're talking about someone who uses a calloused, fatalistic point of view in an effort to drive home very specific points (in this case - "people, quit playing games - other people, quit allowing people to play games with you"). It's pretty much the literary version of shock Horror to drive home points, or Shock and Awe tactics on a battlefield. Playing "Die Valküre" from Helicopters while shit is blowing up, if you will. Not only does Kleinbl00 use this tactic often, if you read his OTHER posts, it's pretty obvious that he comes from a pretty genuine, caring place. I mean, look at this other comment, from this exact thread. It's Obvious that Kleinbl00 knows that there is complexity and subtlety to life, and his "LISTEN SON, I'VE GOT EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT" voice is for literary effect. I understand that the truth resists simplicity. Perhaps it's time for you to attempt the same. Also, as an aside, saying that "Kelinbl00's name is all over that thread" is only true for the comment thread that he started, and is kind of disingenuous.. If you look at that thread in context of the OP, it's like halfway down the comment thread, with way more problematic things above and below it, and Kleinbl00's pretty vacant.
Saying it gets old is one thing, not recognizing it for what it is is another. You can complain about the tone (in fact, I encourage it. discussion and active engagement is the only way to change the tone of a website you frequent), but You can't willfully misrepresent the content as it is.
For me kleinbloo is the only negative of hubski.
His views are pedestrian to the point of banality. His tone just reddit neckbeard turned up to 11
He pouts he rants he writes 5 paragraph essays about things that don't even require 2 words. He bullies demands site changes belittles anyone who disagrees with any of the tired bullshit he spouts . I have him ignored hushed and whatever that third option is. Still I don't think it okay to drag something he said on reddit a million years ago. Partly because hubski should be a reddit free zone but mostly because why spend time on boring?
I don't give a damn about your popularity contest. kleinbl00 is fine. Leave critique to those that are actually good at it. So many accusations!Flame me, ostracize me from Hubski, whatever, but Hubski deserves to know what one of its most beloved commenters thinks or evidently at least thought 3 years ago.
Hubski's a little different because people who use hubski to promote themselves either also participate enough that you know them and want to see that they've done, or don't and you have to opt in to hear from them directly. We probably use different subreddits, but usually I only ever see people on Reddit get annoyed when someone is obviously just trying to sell them something. "Look at this cool thing I made which is appropriate to this subreddit" posts tend to be pretty popular.
I think rjw got close to it. It's a quality control thing. The Internet greatly lowers the barrier to shoving information in peoples' faces. It used to be - if you were a musician, you had to get a label to financially back you. Filmmaker? You had to get a studio/distributor to do so. Writer? Get published in NYT or get a publisher to pick you up. The financial barrier imposed a means of quality control.
Nowadays, anyone - no matter how crap they are - can get a link to their work or ideas in front of your eyes. Given our limited attention span, an easy way of filtering out this noise is the notion of whether content is "vouched" for or not by others. Self-posted vs posted by someone else is an quick and easy cut-off for this.
This is an issue that some sites attack in an indirect/inadvertant way (e.g. Reddit/Twitter/Soundcloud/Pandora etc.), but AFAIK no one has yet to attack (in a rigorous manner) the issue of quality control. It's a challenging problem in part, because it's so subjective.
Reddit's administration team a bunch of hypocrites at best. Gawker journalist Adrian Chen (or Adrian802 on reddit) remains the only redditor to openly dox another redditor (Violentacrez) and entirely get away with it. No shadowban, no site-wide ban of Gawker Media domains, nothing. In fact, the only banning of Gawker Media domains came from the mod level and from how many Gawker Media links I see on various subreddits these days, my guess is that they dropped said policy after a few weeks or months. For hosting a number of pornographic, troll and legal-grey-area subreddits - many of which were shut down over a year prior after the threat of a SomethingAwful and /r/ShitRedditSays sponsored press mailbombing campaign forced the admins to change their policies on sexualised content of minors - Mr Brutsch was fired from his programming job which mainly provided for the care of him and his sick wife, was internationally shamed by a few reputable news websites and became a national pariah to other Americans as news networks began to report on his antics under the Violentacrez pseudonym. Then there's /r/Niggers, a racist, xenophobic, downright crude and hurtful subreddit that used to regularly brigade reddit threads, post offensive comments towards other users and whatnot. It was shut down for 'vote manipulation' after reddit got a bit of press negativity for its existence. However, other subreddits that actively engage in manipulating comment scores such as ShitRedditSays, SubredditDrama, AgainstMensRights, and Bestof haven't even been threatened for their actions. MensRights was but the admins seemed content with them making a few rule changes to prevent more vote manipulation. There's also suspicion that the admins were colluding with SRS because one of the admins who later left reddit (Intortus) is now a moderator on SRS. In reality, the admins could and should have shut it down for breaching the Personal Information rule which has been further clarified as follows in the FAQ: Had the admins actually enforced this rule? We'd see a lot of other subreddits like ShitRedditSays, SubredditDrama, AgainstMensRights, PCMasterRace, Cringe, Cringepics, Circlejerk, TheRedPill, MensRights and a lot of others face the chopping block unless they change their behaviour and rules. We would have also seen /r/Niggers get shut down much sooner. Back to the subject of 'posting your own content', two weeks ago a website called OnGamers and several of its journalists - including Rod "Slasher" Breslau - were banned from reddit over this rule and vote manipulation. Yes, they did submit quite a bit of their own content and they likely did upvote each others content actively to game the system but they were regular contributors to reddit otherwise. It wasn't until a huge outcry from /r/LeagueofLegends, /r/Starcraft, /r/Games and several other subreddits, and internal discussions between OnGamers and the admins, that the bans were reversed.NO. reddit is a pretty open and free speech place, but it is not ok to post someone's personal information, or post links to personal information. This includes links to public Facebook pages and screenshots of Facebook pages with the names still legible. We all get outraged by the ignorant things people say and do online, but witch hunts and vigilantism hurt innocent people and certain individual information, including personal info found online is often false. Posting personal information will get you banned. Posting professional links to contact a congressman or the CEO of some company is probably fine, but don't post anything inviting harassment, don't harass, and don't cheer on or vote up obvious vigilantism.
As far as I can tell, the reptile-brain reaction: For art and songs and primary research articles and other sorts of actual ORIGINAL content: 'Neat.' For blog posts, book reviews, and editorial: 'Who the fuck is this person who thinks their opinion is more important than everyone else's, unless they're an expert?' Unless you're an expert it's almost as if you're a wannabe Rush Limbaugh or a wannabe-but-unfunny-version-of Jon Stewart It's the distinction between primary and secondary sources, to use a term from my field of work. There's also a touch of 'You had to advertise this on the internet? It didn't work when you used other more legitimate-seeming methods?' Because (and I'm one of the people who thinks this too) the Internet is kind of immaterial and ephemeral in some ways; you can anonymously loose something in it, and then lose the same thing in it. Internet people don't make the same impression as people encountered offline in some ways. There's no real consequence a lot of the time from just logging off and abandoning a website. Hell, I did that with Reddit, and the folks posting to it vanished into thin air to me mentally. The internet is kind of cheap and low-effort, too. In fact, if I decided to leave Hubski right now (which I'm not), I'd just forget that all of you exist.
There's an erotic author Reddit who writes the most amazing blogs on writing, she calls them "Wednesday Workshops". The advice in them goes for all writing, not just erotic, but she only promotes them there. Honestly, if that was all she ever posted I would be happy to see them. They are quality, relevant content.
I think the value of having an automatic second opinion is pretty important -- that is, if you're submitting a song you found somewhere, well presumably that's at least two people who like it, you and the creator. If you submit your own stuff, it's only got one guaranteed fan. Given the sheer amount of original content on reddit and everywhere else, that tiny layer of peer-review simply must exist, because most original content is bad, and can easily overwhelm small subreddits (because reddit's "democracy" system doesn't work, because democracy doesn't work, etc). On hubski it's not a problem because we can ignore people. Although occasionally when we ignore people they can still interact with us. But presumably they can't shove their content down our gasping, wheezing throats.