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comment by kleinbl00
Yeah, let's talk about Jenny McCarthy, though.

Has anyone ever considered her a credible person?

Did anybody even really remember her after, oh, 1997?

Is she a person of standing?

Is she noteworthy in any way?

So when she stands up and says "vaccines gave my baby autism" why do we give her more credit than Anne Heche getting on Larry King and saying she's a half-alien named Celestia?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/06/lkl.00.html

...I'm gonna go with "because people are scared to death of autism and they don't trust the medical establishment."

So we're presented with two choices:

1) Restore the peoples' trust in the FDA (after all, they did catch thalidomide, which Europe didn't)

or

2) Make fun of anyone who doesn't and call them doodyheads.

"Make fun of anyone who doesn't and call them doodyheads" is the chosen path for all rebellion. They did it to Martin Luther King. Shit, they did it to Martin Luther. As a result, you end up drawing a comparison between Jenny McCarthy and Martin Luther.

Does anyone really think Jenny McCarthy killed all those kids?

Really?

I think it's just an easy way to not have to think about it. The more easily you can dismiss something that strikes you as irrational, the more easily you can pretend to be wholly rational yourself.





mk  ·  4692 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I'm not wholly rational. But, I do put a distinction between my friend's wife that refused to vaccinate their kid due to fears of vaccines, and Jenny McCarthy who worked hard to spread her irrational belief. Of course Jenny didn't kill those kids. But she did urge people to do something that leads to more kids getting sick and dying. Right or wrong, justified or not, that is a fact. If you don't vaccinate kids, they die at a higher rate. And Jenny urged people not to vaccinate. It's disturbing stuff. But, perhaps more than Jenny, I blame the news outlets that give her equal time and an appearance of validity in the discussion. And, most of all, I blame Andrew Wakefield, who made up numbers and submitted it to Lancet as actual data indicating a link between vaccination and autism when there isn't one.

I wholeheartedly agree that the #1 issue here is faith in the FDA. Unfortunately this country is in a love affair with profit-driven everything, including determination of federal safety regulations.

I am in biomedical research, and friends and family have asked me about vaccines. I never mock them. Basically, I tell them that I am not completely trustful of the FDA, or some western medical practices, particularly the over-prescription of pharmaceuticals. However, there are some vaccines that have a long track record of safety, and are critical to prevent some deadly and debilitating diseases. I tell them that I think it would be dangerous to skip those vaccines.

I am not very familiar with the schedule, but I have been told that it has gotten more aggressive. I'm going to consider spacing it out as much as possible with our kid. It seems common sense that stacking immune stimulants could be worse than spreading them out. But, I might be wrong on that, and I'm going to look into it. Let me know if you or your wife knows anything about this.

I know that taking the time to understand people's fears, and educating them is a more effective way to deal with the issue than mocking and debating them. However, although people have certain rights even when based in irrational belief, those rights diminish when it hurts other people. My willingness to be understanding of irrational belief is going to drop pretty quick when someone is risking the health of my child.

But absolutely, we need to steer the entire conversation onto greater scrutiny of the FDA, and getting the fuck tons of money that influence the FDA out. In fact, I think our #1 problem in this country is corporate influence of policy. So many of our problems spin out of that.

kleinbl00  ·  4692 days ago  ·  link  ·  
We're pretty much in total agreement - the one quibble I have is that if it wasn't Jenny McCarthy, it would have been somebody. I'm not entirely sure her heart was in the right place, but I'm unconvinced her heart was in the wrong place and I think that when you attempt to demonize a playboy pinup with a sense of humor as some sort of angel of death, you're getting lost in the buffoonery of what is a very real problem.

And that buffoonery - which I've been having out with #b_b - is the problem. Just so you're aware, spacing out your kids' vaccine schedules officially makes you a part of the "anti-vax movement." There are pediatricians who will refuse to see your kids.

It is my formal opinion that any product that requires a prescription to purchase should not be allowed to advertise. If I could point at one point in history where it all started spinning out of control, that's the spot I'd point at.

mk  ·  4692 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Just so you're aware, spacing out your kids' vaccine schedules officially makes you a part of the "anti-vax movement."

I can live with that if there's good reason for it. Which I would like to know more about, but I'm not getting much on PubMed.

It is my formal opinion that any product that requires a prescription to purchase should not be allowed to advertise.

It's also the formal opinion of every government in the World except for ours and New Zealand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_marketing#To_use...

As an aside, for anyone that doubts the value of the chicken pox vaccine, they should talk to someone that has neuropathy due to shingles. My grandmother lived with excruciating pain for a decade. I'm glad I caught the chicken pox, although I was 18 and it was hell on earth.