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notseamus  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: SOPA and PIPA
what are the chances of it going through?




mk  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
IMO, the chances of amended versions of these bills being passed are likely. However, the protest around the legislation has already altered the language of the bills, and probably will result in them being changed even more.

There is a powerful lobby behind these bills, and many in Congress are sympathetic to the lobbying industries and/or do not have technical backgrounds to understand the greater effects the bill will have. I think that both Congress and the industries behind these bills were surprised to see such resistance.

In addition to blocking bad legislation, IMHO this protest is a good thing because: 1) It sets a precedent that some aspects of an open internet will be vigorously defended, and 2) it further demonstrates how people can use the internet to organize and pressure their government.

A very real concern is the effect that SOPA/PIPA would have upon sites that facilitate this kind of organization. Personally, I doubt that we would have this large scale protest if Reddit didn't exist.

davidreiss666  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>Personally, I doubt that we would have this large scale protest if Reddit didn't exist.

I don't know if I agree with that. What exists on Reddit are people. The place -- as much as some of us like it -- is just a place to gather. It's not a be all, end all in and of itself. And it's the people that matter in the end, not the place they gather at.

There are good people everywhere. And Reddit is just a current popular place they like to get together and swap stories and the like. Do not confuse the building for the people that go to it.

mk  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Do not confuse the building for the people that go to it.

I don't think I am. Some 'places' facilitate certain actions better than others. Reddit has been successful at facilitating some types of actions. Some good, some questionable. Speaking personally, I would have never attended the Rally for Sanity if it weren't for my activity on that site. I have been active online for quite some time, but before Reddit, I hadn't experienced an online community that could coallesce around some particular actions.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Reddit or sites like it don't have their drawbacks and limitations. But I do believe that in some instances they have facilitated action in ways that other places don't.

davidreiss666  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I don't know if I buy this argument. It's been made before:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fear_and_Loathing_in_Las_Vegas_...

It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era — the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant...

mk  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think convincingly.

Also, the Bloomsbury Group, the 1927 Solvay Conference, the Junto Society.

IMO it's not enough to just have the people. It's the people, the place, and the times.

katakowsj  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Is it too late to get Charleton Heston to get people whipped into a frenzy challenging SOPA and PIPA to pry the uncensored internet from his cold dead hands? Someone not dead? Charlie Sheen?
thenewgreen  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I'm not sure what the chances of it going through are? I imagine that the only thing politicians care more about than money is reelection. Their votes on this will be remembered and all of the online communities will hold them to account.

I think the real story here will be the ability of such powerhouses of the online world converging to say a collective "no" to our legislators. This is unprecedented stuff in the "new economy". Our old, corrupt politicians are going to have to pay heed to a new master. The old titans of industry are no longer the only games in town.

Most senators a few months ago had no idea what a "social aggregator" was. Well, they do now.