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user-inactivated  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Reddit censors big story about government manipulation and disruption of the Internet

This is fucking adorable.

It's absolutely disgusting that these people are claiming being "censored". The people complaining here have never been truly censored in their lives, and are greatly cheapening the word. Your speech isn't getting oppressed here. You can't make censorship on a private subreddit with fucking rules. You wanna post the link? Make your own goddamn subreddit with your own rules and post that link 9000 times. Mods own the subreddits, that's always how it's been.

God. Damn. It's like the people who claim America is heading towards 1984. Clearly you haven't read that book, because just by being able to compare America to 1984, it makes it obvious that we aren't living in 1984.

Edit: Bless whoever made that third tag. Think I'm gonna duck from Hubski till things calm down for a while.





wario  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it has become a different issue on reddit though as they have defaults. So it is more about caring what the newbies will see and caring that millions of people who only subscribe to the defaults and a few others who might have wanted to read it didn't get to.

Sure you can say make your own subreddit and they probably will, but when we are talking about a subreddit with 5 million subscribers it is becoming like censoring a major newspaper.

user-inactivated  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You don't seem to realize that /r/worldnews and, subsequently, /r/news are already horribly biased, usually racist, and sometimes misoganystic. I like Reddit, a lot. It can be very entertaining and I can learn a lot from it. But I would never, never, never use it as a source for the news that's happening around the world. I get it from reputable places.

Plus a big part of joining Reddit is realizing that the defaults are shite, so, you know, maybe this is helping with that

insomniasexx  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I used to think the same way you did until I realized the HUGE effect reddit has on the thoughts, opinions and overall knowledge of a FUCK TON of people. I used to think: it's a private site with private subreddits and they can run it however they like. Mods for sale? If you don't think this is happening, you're stupid. Jailbait? Fuck yeah. He can do what he wants.

In the last couple years, reddit has expanded to be the default news source of a lot of people (not just techy programmer types). Top blogs and news sites get their stories from reddit, rather than reddit posting stories from top blogs / news sites. But even with this expansion, people still believe that reddit is full of the top news stories and stories that no one else covers. Posts like, "This is happening in Ukraine/Venezuela and mass media isn't covering it" demonstrate this. It shows how reddit strives to be different than traditional media and call attention to all stories.

But for a large population of people today, reddit is basically traditional media and reddit's stories have the same struggles and flaws: biases, censorship, ignorance, left wing, right wing, echo chamber, etc.

The real problem is that redditors believe that reddit has every top story and is breaking the mold of what traditional media outlets provide. This assumption/viewpoint results in a certain blindness / ignorance to any censorship or bias. It's not quite as bad as Fox News enthusiasts, but it's getting close. Because reddit gives the impression that it is covers everything important, people have the potential to be doubly blinded to any censorship that does occur.

It wouldn't be an issue if readers knew they weren't getting the full story. And a lot of people (like you) see the racist, biased, misogynistic or 20%-of-the-story posts. But the problem remains for a majority - this is why the post in /r/news was such a shock to a lot of redditors. Whether it is a big conspiracy, whether mods have been bought or not, or whether someone was actively censoring the post in question, I think it is important to remind the masses that reddit doesn't have every side of every story. If people can even open their eyes a little bit, or question a little bit, it's going to be a better situation.

wario  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wish I knew a newspaper I could trust.. The guardian maybe but apart from that I feel a bit lost looking for "reputable sources" these days. I must admit a large part of my news comes from reddit. It's just too damn easy to get it there and get swept up in the hive mind.

user-inactivated  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I feel a bit lost looking for "reputable sources" these days.

The trick is, when you find a particular news report, don't take that as fact. Go through the net and find lots of different reports on the same thing, then make a decision as to how you feel about it. It takes more work, but you become better informed.

And give NPR a shot, it's the bee's knees.

wario  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ill try NPR it is honestly too much effort trying to wade the shit from the good. I need something reputable delivered right to me. The guardian politics podcast is quite good so I imagine ill like NPR

kleinbl00  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Daily Beast cheat sheet every morning. Curated aggregation done mostly right.

Paper subscription to The Week. Curated aggregation done mostly right.

Anything beyond that, dig deeper.

ecib  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I wish I knew a newspaper I could trust..

There are some good publications, but increasingly it is better to follow certain authors rather than the newspapers/publications themselves. The best individual reporters have much more respect for their craft and their audience than any collection of them on a payroll.

OftenBen  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I recommend Matt Taibbi. First Class journalist.

blackfox026  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been tuning into Democracy Now! recently, and it's pretty good (though it's not a newspaper, it's a show). It's certainly biased pretty far to the left, but admittedly and unapologetically so. I think bias is only really a problem in journalism when the authors try to hide it.

wario  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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kleinbl00  ·  3923 days ago  ·  link  ·  
aimhb  ·  3921 days ago  ·  link  ·  

By the time America is like 1984, it will be way too late. Better to take preventative measures.

badgoyim  ·  3922 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is a JTRIG post.