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thenewgreen  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The wine industry must adapt or die

I was at the library the other day looking for a book of poems. When the librarian, a poet herself saw me looking she asked me if she could help. "I'm just looking for a book of poetry I really loved but I can't remember the name."

She smiled and asked me to describe the poem.

"It wasn't too long, but it wasn't short either. It was funny and at the same time heart warming, but not in a cheesy way..."

She smiled again and asked, "was it a limerick, a haiku, perhaps a sonnet?"

I told her that I wasn't sure about all that but that I really liked the way it sounded when I read it.

"Perhaps you recall if it was iambic or whether it had couplets?"

I just shrugged. "I just want to read a poem that makes me happy," I told her.

She found me something that was pretty all right.

I guess my point is that I don't have a very good understanding of the terms in poetry and I wouldn't recognize them as I read, they're basically all greek to me. They tell me nothing about the poem I'm reading. I do know what a Haiku is fwiw.

I could try harder to know more about poetry, but why so long as I find poems I like? I feel like words such as acrostic, madrigal or quatrain are pretentious and keep people from really knowing anything about poetry.

;-)





kleinbl00  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your example uses words to describe words. These are words that have been defined by other words and codified to describe systems of words.

The subject at hand uses words to describe complex interactions between organic chemistry and somatic response. These are words that are completely arbitrary and offer systemic guidance only through familiarity or ad-hoc comparison.

Once more, with feeling - there's a noteworthy dearth of useful terminology at play here. However, the approach taken by the wine industry is to increase obfuscation rather than clarity.

Wines also aren't about anything, unlike poetry. One can launch social movements. The other pairs well with fish.

thenewgreen  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think we disagree at all. I'm not trying to defend the wine industry, I agree that they could likely make things more approachable without sacrificing the utility or even poetry used in describing their products. I do think that some people fail to even see the "useful terminology" and that's really what I'm trying to speak to.

All this talk of wine... there's literally no chance of me not drinking wine tonight.

_refugee_  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    *Keeping in mind that pretention is often in the eye of the beholder, and I'm not pretending that this use is an exception to that.

Said with poetry in mind; said knowing that I often feel pretentious and know that the word can be levelled at me, if one chooses, in regards to poetry. I agree that using the more advanced, shall we say, words of a given trade can make a dabbler or novice feel alienated or looked down upon.

I am aware that the words used in wine tasting have specific meanings and usages. I looked at a wine chart that delineated these once. It was astounding. Unfortunately, it was about as edifying as you or the theoretical narrator of your post would find a chart of poetic terms.

thenewgreen  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My point was to use something that I know you are passionate about and love as an example of how an in depth understanding has to come with more in depth language and descriptors.

You know the old adage that eskimo's have hundreds of words for "snow." When I look at snow I see "snow." When they look at snow they can see a vast array of various textures, colors and conditions. We're looking at the same snow.

You're tasting all those descriptors you mentioned, you've just not given them proper names and compartments in that big brain of yours.

Tell ya what, some day you, me and kleinbl00 are having a wine tasting :)

_refugee_  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

100% *deal*

sounds_sound  ·  3946 days ago  ·  link  ·  

TNG makes a good point. I think I've mentioned this before, but the only way to learn about wine is to drink comparatively. Meaning, drink two/three wines at the exact same time - not one bottle and then the next. If I were to put two glasses in front of you there's no doubt that you could tell me which has deeper colors, which smells more like bruised fruit, and which one has a longer finish. When you're just drinking one, all that goes out the window.