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_refugee_  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: On Seeing the 100% Perfect Girl One Beautiful April Morning, by Haruki Murakami

Actually, I hate to spoil this for you, but I'm

| A BIG FUCKING FLAMING QUEER BISEXUAL, |

I've got the exes to prove it, so a) You can take that back, and B) as I have previously stated and you have probably already quoted me on, there's a difference between preferences you choose, e.g., skin tone, and preferences you are biologically disposed towards, i.e., gender.

Thanks. Please feel free to QQ now.

Also, I'd encourage you to try to not make assumptions about gender and sexuality over the interet like you just did ever again.





Kafke  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My bad:

Most people's dating preferences? Still sexist.

Better?

I can't choose what I'm attracted to. And you of all people should be able to understand that. Being attracted to a certain skin tone is no different than being attracted to a certain gender. And that's no different than having some sexual fetish. It all falls in line in the same way. You can't choose what you are attracted to.

That's why I'm so chill with the LGBT community. They can't choose who they are attracted to and neither can I. No need to judge because of that.

Please explain how I can "choose" who I'm attracted to. Isn't that the whole argument the LGBT community is trying to make? That you can't? It's not like I can magically just be turned on by anything.

_refugee_  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You are not biologically or genetically predisposed to dislike (or not be attracted to) certain races.

Moreover, even if you were, that wouldn't make it not racist. It would just make it inherent racism.

Meanwhile, in the LGBT community, as I have stated, there is evidence that gender preferences have biological or genetic roots.

You are arguing this point because you do not want to view yourself as discriminating. Isn't it better to acknowledge the difference in racial treatment, and, if you're okay with not dating those races, move on? Some people, like me, are going to find it racist, and by my definition, which I've already stated multiple times, it undeniably is. It doesn't seem to bother you to make that judgment call on attractiveness based on the race of other people - it just bothers you to get called "racist" for it. Look. Some people are going to call you racist for it.

Kafke  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Can you back that statement please? I have not once made an active decision/choice towards what I'm attracted to.

    that wouldn't make it not racist. It would just make it inherent racism.

So I guess there's inherent sexism as well?

What's your explanation for sexual fetishes then? People choose to only be turned on by certain obscure things? That's a choice? What about pedophiles? They chose to be attracted to children?

That's a pretty bigoted and hypocritical worldview.

I can't choose which ethnicity or personality, or eye color or any other weird thing I might find attractive. Just like how I find inward noses attractive and am repulsed by outward ones. I guess I'm nose-ist as well, right?

God damn. How ignorant can you be? Just as people can't choose to be straight or gay, people can't choose what they are attracted to. It's all the same goddamn thing.

Edit: It's about as racist as being attracted only females being sexist is. And at that point, I'm okay. I'm not sexist because I only like females. And I'm not racist for only liking one ethnicity. Unless you are claiming 90% of the world is sexist.

_refugee_  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Aw, man, you caught me! That's my problem. I'm ignorant. My bad. Lemme go get some education.

Whether or not you can choose it, you are making a judgment about an entire class of people based on their skin tone.

A Jewish person might decide for religious reasons that he only wants to date other Jewish people. He may have a very good reason for this, for instance he wants to raise his children in the Jewish tradition or he wants to have a Jewish wedding or whatever. It's still discriminatory.

In ways, dating is about discrimination. Yes, you're nose-ist, and I'm age-ist.

    people can't choose what they are attracted to

Can you back that up? Moreover, just because you don't think you've made a conscious decision, doesn't mean that a decision hasn't been made - a choice that you weren't born with, already formed in your consciousness.

I don't pretend to be an expert on sexual fetishes or what causes them but I suspect it is a multifold scenario with many variables and that many people have different "causes" or what-have-you behind their fetishes. I would posit that is far too broad a subject and one in which I have too little knowledge for me to comment on.

Kafke  ·  3943 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    you are making a judgment about an entire class of people based on their skin tone.

Except I'm not. I'm not making any judgements. It's "what I'm attracted to" vs "what I'm not attracted to". I don't act differently towards those people because of it. I don't think of them any differently. I just don't think of them as datable. And most people I don't consider datable. Which shouldn't really be the concern of anyone, since I'm only going to be in a relationship with one person (ideally) anyway.

    In ways, dating is about discrimination. Yes, you're nose-ist, and I'm age-ist.

Except you are totally butchering what it means. And you are applying both definitions onto the person. Which is wrong. I'm not racist. I just don't want to date them. I'm not nose-ist. I just don't want to date them. You aren't age-ist, you just don't want to date them. "ist" would imply you treat them differently and as less-than.

    Can you back that up? Moreover, just because you don't think you've made a conscious decision, doesn't mean that a decision hasn't been made - a choice that you weren't born with, already formed in your consciousness.

If it's a choice, I should be able to choose otherwise. And I can't. If it's not a conscious choice, it's not a choice.

    I don't pretend to be an expert on sexual fetishes or what causes them but I suspect it is a multifold scenario with many variables and that many people have different "causes" or what-have-you behind their fetishes. I would posit that is far too broad a subject and one in which I have too little knowledge for me to comment on.

I'm willing to bet it's approximately the same thing that "causes" gender preferences and any other sexual related thing. Considering it's all effecting the same thing anyway. As I said, gender is thrown into the mix with everything else. It's not "special". It's just yet another preference on top of the hundreds possibly thousands I already have. There's nothing special about it. So stop acting like there is.

Edit: Skin Tone / ethnicity isn't special either. And I'm surprised you latched onto this instead of continuing the discussion from earlier. I think you just wanted to call someone racist :P