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b_b  ·  3954 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Highly Educated, Highly Indebted: The Lives of Today's 27-Year-Olds, In Charts

    In 2011, today's 27-year-olds were more likely to be earning less than $15,000 a year from work than they were to be earning more than $40,000.

Holy hell. Seriously? This is remarkably bad for the long term health of our economy.

Also, this:

    High school dropouts are almost six-times more likely to have a child than a bachelor's-degree holder.




sounds_sound  ·  3954 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is scary. I was just back in Ohio for X-mas and got to hear all of the cousin-in-law drama as of late. One of them is a highschool drop-out, has three kids and a brand new bum of a boyfriend with his own children as well. So I hear that she's pregnant with their first one together and he's stoked because his unemployment kicks in when the baby arrives. With these cases, children are often a means to welfare. And on that note.

b_b  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh man. That song somehow came up in conversation one day with my sister-in-law, who is from Japan. She didn't believe us that it was about getting you welfare check to go buy weed and booze. Apparently, in Japan social assistance is considered quite shameful, and even though people take it regularly, nobody would ever openly talk about it, let alone brag about bilking the system for drug money. She seemed almost embarrassed to listen to it, which I found hilarious.

kleinbl00  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Holy hell. Seriously? This is remarkably bad for the long term health of our MIDDLE CLASS.

FTFY

b_b  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha. Thanks! Still, I stand by what I said, given that the middle class should represent the majority of the economy. But, I suppose 'should' is a silly thing to say, as there's no justice inherent in the world. Or, you can't get an ought from an is, as the saying goes.

kleinbl00  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I felt bad writing it, but there are certain pricing and capital advantages to a subsistence economy headed by an economic ruling class. SEE: China.

_refugee_  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This is remarkably bad for the long term health of our economy.

Extrapolate.

I'm not disagreeing, I don't know enough to have an opinion. I want to know more. Extrapolate.

b_b  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, let me preface by saying that I'm no economist either, so take this with a grain of salt. But, just think of the implications of this. $40k isn't that much money to begin with. You can live on it, but you're not gonna be high on the hog. $15k on the other hand is a joke. It's impossible to be a consumer at $15k. Given that our economy is consumption-based, this stat highlights why demand (the main reason why the economy still sucks is lack of demand) is going to be suppressed for a really long time. One can barely pay rent at $15k, let alone enjoy a night out with friends or buy school supplies for their kids.

One of the great problems with our economy is that the middle class is out of money. There's a ton of money in the system, but it's not making it to the middle, and certainly not to the bottom. The bottom fell out in 2008 when credit went dry, because the only way we could continue to spend money was through tapping (pretend) home equity or by using credit cards. Therefore, once access to credit was maxed, demand simply stopped.

Now we're in a situation where young people are scraping just to have enough money to pay rent. Imagine what those people are going to be up against in 10, 20, or 30 years. I can venture a guess that at $15k (hell, even double that) that one isn't saving a single nickel for retirement. But we aren't going to let them starve as retirees. So who gets to pay? We do!

Wealth accumulation seems to only be a one way street. Businesses are striving for a race to the bottom, with the winner being whoever can operate at the lowest margin. Corporate profits are at an all time high, while revenues haven't increased much over the last couple years. The difference is that they've achieved cost savings through almost exclusively cutting payrolls (either by more layoffs, forcing longer hours, restructuring union deals (see here for a great look at this), etc.). This trajectory will lead to the same failure as 2008. The math just doesn't add up. When the vast majority of people don't have any money, money doesn't get spent. Period. Doesn't matter how much exists at the top, because a rich person doesn't need that much more stuff than a poor person. Unless or until people can make a living wage doing a basic full time job, we're not going to get out of this cycle. It took a World War to solve this problem the last time around. Let's hope some other compromise can be struck to avert that scenario.

_refugee_  ·  3953 days ago  ·  link  ·  

OK, so we are assuming that what was the case for 24-year-olds in 2011 is now the case for our 24-year-olds in 2014. Right? I don't see anything to directly disprove (or, admittedly...sorry) prove this assumption, so I can ride with it - again, I don't know enough about economics, economic growth, or the like to speak on this kind of subject. I suppose 3 years is not very long on an economic scale(?) Certainly haven't seen any jubilant articles about the rise of wages for the young twenties set.

    It took a World War to solve this problem the last time around.

I had kind of thought that before, yes. War stimulates the economy and kills people off so we have less mouths to worry about/feed/clothe/spend money on and so on? I'm callous, I know. Population control. I'm not saying I'm for war.

Also, and thank you for your insight.