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thenewgreen  ·  3985 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: We Owe the Beatles to Luck

    Luck is defined as events occurring by chance rather than by one's own actions. In this matter, I agree with b_b that you need talent, drive, hard work, persistence, and more talent but you can have all that but not be in the right place, not meet the right person, be on the wrong train and so on -- the inexplicable je ne sais quoi --
-the Beatles put themselves in "the right place" by getting Epstein on board and by cultivating a following that bought their single. They created then own luck. I agree that luck exists, but even those that win the lotto have to buy a ticket.




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lil  ·  3985 days ago  ·  link  ·  

then we agree: you have to buy a ticket, but randomness makes the lotto pick your ticket. Even the article said this

    The group’s initial break came when Brian Epstein, the 27-year-old manager of a Liverpool record store, happened to come hear them at a lunchtime session at a local club.
"happened to come hear them" -- that's the luck part. As I believe Louis Pasteur said "Chance favours the prepared mind." -- and continue to build COURAGE and CONFIDENCE and COMMITMENT to whatever we love so that we'll notice the random.
thenewgreen  ·  3985 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    "happened to come hear them" -- that's the luck part
Yes, but they created that luck by booking the show. Had they not been playing there, had they not sounded good or been charming on stage Epstein wouldn't have cared. There is no "happened to hear them," they put themselves in a position to be heard.

I'm guessing we both agree on these things though, but I find that too many people attribute peoples successes to "luck" or "chance." More often than not these things are born of hard work, persistence and talent.

lil  ·  3985 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We only "kinda" agree because we like each other and know that the other person is wise. Sure the Beatles put themselves in a position to be heard, of course they booked the show, they practiced, they believed, they wrote songs, they had thoughtful life experiences -- but I bet too, as luck would have it, Epstein was in the right mood, in the right place, in the right time, and was ready to have his mind blown and throw his life into helping the Beatles.

If Brian Epstein had promoted the brilliant The New Green, you might have been on Ed Sullivan too or David Letterman or wherever, but he didn't stumble into your concert and things took a different path.

Chance or luck or fortuitousness or coincidence or magic (OK, not magic) always helps -- but there's no replacement for DOING THE WORK, and making a life for yourself that does not depend on chance.

My current new employers ONLY found me if it hadn't been for a coincidental set of parallel (theirs and mine) events - they didn't even know where to look for me or that it was me they were looking for. So the finding was chance - but the bizarre mix of qualifications that prepared me for the job was my own creation over many years. OK are we in agreement now?

thenewgreen  ·  3985 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We are in general agreement except for one key fact: Brian Epstein would have had a much more difficult road to tow if he were attempting to get tng on Letterman. The Beatles had far more raw talent. Hope all is well lil!