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user-inactivated  ·  3988 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Bits and Barbarism

Okay, I'm still having trouble with the concept specifically quoted above, and yes I did read the rest of it.

Hypothetical: Brazil owes the US 10 dollars -- dollars, not Brazilian reals. In 1993 one dollar is worth say five reals. So 50 reals owed. The Brazilian government decides to print some extra reals to pay the US back. However, it seems to me that if they print a few more reals, they've devalued the real in relation to the dollar by inflating their own currency -- and so instead of owing us 50 reals like they did before, they owe us more, because 50 reals isn't worth ten bucks anymore. So they haven't changed the status quo.

I must be missing something obvious. Is it that Brazil's debt to the US is measured in reals not dollars no matter what? So as their currency hyperinflates the US can't demand more reals as payback? If that's the case why the hell do we loan money to countries that may ever become economically unstable?

I mean, I obviously know that inflation aides a debtor in general, but I figured that rule stops applying when only one currency in the equation is inflating.

(You have no obligation to teach me economics.)





kleinbl00  ·  3988 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Brazil owes the US 10 dollars -- dollars, not Brazilian reals. In 1993 one dollar is worth say five reals. So 50 reals owed.

And for fun, let's say Brazil owes Brazilians 250 Brazilian reals. In 1993 one dollar is worth say five reals. So 50 dollars owed.

    The Brazilian government decides to print some extra reals to pay the US back.

Sounds great. Let's say in 1995 one dollar is worth say 50 reals. So Brazil owes The US 10 dollars (or 500 reals) and Brazilians 250 reals (or $5.) Brazil's debt load has dropped from $60 to $15 through a mere factor-of-10 inflation!

    I must be missing something obvious.

You missed the sleight of hand. 'cuz I'm printing reals for the explicit purpose of fucking my country. I can pay the fuck out of my domestic debt. That was the point. It's now nothing. All that cash you were hoarding? Yeah, eat shit. It's worth ten cents on the dollar. 'cuz my next move is to introduce La Nueva Real by lopping off a zero. I'm gonna exchange Reals for NRs at 1:10. And I'm going to peg the NR at 1:1 for dollars.

So even if I hadn't paid off my pensioners, I'd only owe them 25 NR. But I have. And even if I hadn't paid off the US, I'd only owe them $15.

Make no mistake: it's pure monetary destruction. It usually involves riots, unrest, panic in the streets, an upended social order, hoarding, all that superfun Weimar Republic shit. But then you get through to the other side and you're an economy again.

Think of it as a hard reset for an economy - a three-finger-salute for a kernel panic. Recovery is likely to be a bitch, and you will have lost data… but once you reboot, the system will run again.

Make sense?

user-inactivated  ·  3987 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, it does. What I wasn't getting was that the benefit came through ducking out of domestic debt as opposed to foreign. Yes, you could certainly use hyperinflation to screw your citizens out of all their real wealth. Couldn't simultaneously screw your creditors in the US out of theirs, at least not this way.

Thanks for bearing with me.