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mk  ·  4717 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Philosopher Sticks Up for God
And sorry if I'm being dense here, but some questions remain for me: if "a reproductive bias results toward the genotype that is more advantageous for that environment," doesn't this in the long term result in the characteristics of the species being trained to the environment? And even though the gene didn't try to fit the environment, it seems that the "reproductive bias" did. To what exactly are we attributing agency here?

Not at all. The characteristics of the species match the environment to the extent that the creatures with them survive in that environment. But, this is not selection. The environment isn't selecting (it isn't even aware that the creature exists), and the creatures aren't evolving (that's not something they can choose to do). Evolution is a story you make after the fact to explain why a creature is different from its ancestors. No creature evolves. Kids are different from parents. Say you have two kids, one is bright but weak, and one is strong but dim. Post-apocalyptic battle world? The dim one may be more likely reproduce. Super high-tech matrix world? The smart one might have the better chance. In each case, your grandchildren are going to come out a bit further along different paths. No agency. No one evolved, yet we see evolution. Environments change, and genes are unstable but duplicate. That's all you need, and evolution is the byproduct. It's not very special actually. It would be weird if it didn't happen.

IMHO we just can't seem to sit back and say, "hey look, it's me with the issues, not the physical world! It works just fine." IMHO we are just a pathologically self-important species. But, I'm sure that's been an advantageous in this environment. Religion is a trait. :)

I'm not so sure I'd look for the soul in the pineal gland. Kids with over-developed pineal glands hit puberty early. It doesn't seem too soulish to me, maybe the funky kind. I'd pick the thumb. It's probably our most God-like organ. Sure our cortex is grand, but so is a dolphin's. But without thumbs, we make them our entertainment. We change our world with our thumbs. Imagine a thumbectomy for everyone in the kingdom but the king. -There's a book.

Does the brain have a God-senser so that it can sense God? Or does it merely sense God because it has a God senser? And this is why I find most debates between atheists and theists ultimately doomed, though fascinating.

For sure. It's really pointless. As long as people feel a need to believe or not believe it will go on and on.

Thanks for the book suggestion.

It's interesting, I am finishing Anna Karenina, and near the end I was just reading last night where Levin has the epiphany that all men feel compelled to do good, and that is the miracle that gives him evidence of God. It's a pretty solid argument. To the converse, in my study of physics and science, I have found solid arguments for how this all is just not about me or my notion of a God. In the end, I personally just don't care. I'll get plenty pissed at people telling others how they ought to be for any reason, religion included. But, when it comes down to personal belief, whatever. I don't think the final conclusion has much to do with how much thinking you've done on the subject. The turmoil of it all seems to be a fact of human nature.