you both have points here. I don't think you've tried to implement anything that didn't come directly from what users request, and you're a user yourself so it's not like you're disconnected from what's going on. Obviously you can't appease every aspect here, but you end up facing the God problem insofar as do too much, villified, do too little, villified. At what point does the authority or your autonomy overreach and at what point does it become syndicalist and at what point does the input of a few users override the rest? Both you and klein know your shit when it comes to this so this exchange directly proves that evne two people that have the same goal have vastly disparate methods and approaches. That's going to happen on every site no matter what happens and they're going to be fragmentation. What's the solution for it you propose, kleinbl00? Where the median?
It's a sore spot based on years of trench warfare with Reddit admins. ADMINS: "So it turns out nobody liked that decision." ME: "Did you ask anyone before you tried it out?" ADMINS: "no." ME: "So why are you surprised?" ADMINS: "because we're understaffed and this isn't really our thing." ME: "So why don't you hire someone to do this?" ADMINS: "We'll get right on that." (wait six months) ADMINS: "Well that wasn't very popular." ME: "Did you ask anybody first?" ADMINS: "Why would we do that?" ME: "Because that's what we discussed last time." ADMINS: "That was before our time. We're new." ME: "…"
Trust me I know. I've been there for 5 years. I don't know how you stayed a mod for as long as you have because I gave the fuck up after my third try. The shit has gotten out of control, and it's based on some flawed libertarian bullshit that admins have always had as a doctrine of running the site. They've never had any idea on how to approach a community correctly and they have no idea that it's failed miserably. Once big money got involved they were completely fucking lost. At least here we have mk attempting things the community says and has a team built out of users. I don't know how involved you are in hubski itself or how much coding experience you have, but I know you have the community experience to make some serious great changes with this site, and we can't have just what people are asking for because they ask for some stupid shit usually, especially when coming from other sites. So how do we go about having a balance between a creator ideas and user ideas and having select users having too much say? If mk asks us "what do you think of this idea?" and they say "we fucking hate it" resoundingly, despite the majority of the naysayers saying "we should implement a karma system!" then what the fuck do we do? Or if there's a new idea that's never been done on any site that's revolutionary and has to be implemented to test the waters?