I hate the internet.
Shakespeare might be competition, but a list of words he invented doesn't help anything, because some of them were never seen again, some took a hundred years to become mainstream, etc. Putting aside the debate as to whether a phrase Shakespeare came up with should even be mentioned in the same conversation as "because internet."
Respectfully, I don't see much difference. His change of the word upstairs for example is slight, but if you were use to hearing it only one way for all of your life, and then heard it as an adjective, it might seem jarring at first. These are not parallel examples, I know. I think making because a preposition is a fairly seamless move. It reminds me of the French word chez (as I understand it). I could say "at Fatburger" : "chez Fatburger", but I could also say "at the doctor's" : also just "chez médecin". It cuts off the le because it's completely unnecessary. Someone can correct me if I got that wrong, but perhaps the intent is still there.
It's seamless, yeah -- since it's not a huge deal. The problem is that a lot of internet speak is horrible and you can never tell quite what's gonna catch on. Good example there with chez though. I was thinking about this earlier and thought of a truly awful one but I seem to have forgotten it.
What's better about the old version of English, without the bastardizations?
I don't know that I would characterize it as "sad" exactly, but it does seem like it's a late-coming counterpart to what has been happening in various professional fields. I mean, how many times have you seen a sitcom where a character is speaking to a doctor and says "in English please?" The English spoken between politicians or between politicians and the public, is another good example of what I'm referring to. Of course, those developments in language occurred to more easily communicate complex or lengthy ideas between people who have similar bases in knowledge, but the fact is, that they've developed enough that an outsider may have little understanding of what's happening. One might argue that this is a feature of many languages and to an extent, that's true. But, English is a bit different due to its history as a language that has often gone through permutations among professional circles as well as regional circles and class circles, on such an international scale (not to mention such a great number of non-native speakers, including immigrants). When coupled with the facility that one is able to create new words (which comes from the Germanic influences most predominantly) and the fact that there are so many homophones and homonyms, we have a bewilderingly complex language that of course will continue to adapt in strange ways when presented with opportunities to do so.What makes this sad is that we're doing it to ourselves.
So, what -- you're saying I guess that it's now evolving in internet circles as just another facet of the language? Fair enough, but what I was talking about, and sadly everyone who has replied to me has been niggling, was that the way people type and talk on the internet has been leaking into speech (so out of 'internet circles') for about 10-15 years now. People use memes in conversation, people use phrases popularized on the internet within the last decade in normal conversation without a trace of irony. Mostly as shortcuts, or internal references with loaded meaning. I'm not a linguist unfortunately, but I'm pretty sure the speed of this, absent an obvious external source, is relatively unprecedented. Shakespeare's time was one of paramount upheaval for the English language and it still wouldn't have approached this scale at all -- surely. So that's my reply to everyone in the thread. Cheers.One might argue that this is a feature of many languages and to an extent, that's true. But, English is a bit different due to its history as a language that has often gone through permutations among professional circles as well as regional circles and class circles, on such an international scale
I don't know the name for what you're describing, but it has been happening throughout history, notably with the rise of comic books. I still don't get why speed is such a concern though. The speed of the internet is unprecedented and so are changes that occur within it and manifest themselves in the real world. Like bitcoin.
I had a feeling that article was going to be about onomatopoeia (<-- is that a plural and a singular word at once?) and comic oaths -- but it doesn't strike me as immediately relevant, mostly because no one actually says 'cripes' who wants to be taken seriously. (People who say 'lol' -- like that -- out loud, of which there are many -- do they expect to be taken seriously?) It's not ... I mean, of course the speed doesn't matter, it's whether the changes are any good or not. Fuck, if you want people to walk around saying 'lol' out loud or whatever, then I guess we just take polar opposite opinions here.I still don't get why speed is such a concern though. The speed of the internet is unprecedented and so are changes that occur within it and manifest themselves in the real world. Like bitcoin.
I'm not saying I want them to, but I don't hear people saying these things in serious contexts, more as a way of being kind of cutesy. If it starts to become used extensively in high level contexts, like for example, if the CEO of a huge tech company responded to a criticism with something like, "because money, lol" then yeah, I'd be shitting it.
You know what, I really want to hate Childish Gambino, I hate a lot of the awkwardly, stupidly dirty lyrics he comes up with. But half of his songs are really, really good. Culdesac was like 85 percent album of the year material. So this new album is gonna be the bellwether for me.
Yeah the singles I've heard are alright, but I am really, REALLY withholding judgement till I hear the whole thing. I've been burned before...
Dammit Muffin, we can't be friends anymore! I kid, but Camp was one of those albums that I thought I really liked, but kept re-listening to, and it just got worse and worse...I guess the whole "I'm a Black dude that acts like a White dude and I rap, even though I'm an actor! I like Asians, Asians, Asians!" thing just didn't vibe with me.
It's tiring. He's tiring. His nerdy minority rapper deal has been done better by other people, like Sol, and he needs to drop it. If every one of his songs was like Heartbeat or These Girls, or So Fly or even Got This Money, he would be an absolute phenom. I don't understand why he hasn't figured that out ... we'll see when the new one drops I guess.
Dunno, man, it seems like Jhené Aiko has been messin with his head. Dunno if you frequent /r/hiphopheads very often, but the conversations about it are simultaneously hilarious and enlightening. Even if you don't check the sub out, I'd recommend it by the way, haha.