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b_b  ·  4043 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Rape Is Caused by Rapists, Not by Underage Drinking

Link one is advice on how to avoid potentially dangerous situations. Link two is a complicated case of he said, she said in which the victim has stopped cooperating, leading to the case not being pursued. And link three is a case in which the perpetrators were convicted of sexual assault. I'm not sure how that's blaming the victim.

Obviously even a rape investigation can be devastating for the victim. I know I wouldn't want an embarrassing and traumatic event put in front of the public. I have no sense of how humiliating and painful that must be. However, I don't know where the idea is coming from that males (at least in this country) aren't taught that rape is wrong. Some don't seem to get it, but it is taught and taught again in school, on television, by any parents who are worth a damn. It's like saying the murder rate is so high, because no one has taught young thugs that murder is wrong. Some people are sociopaths who are going to commit crime. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.





insomniasexx  ·  4043 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Link one is advice on how to avoid potentially dangerous situations.

Wow. If that is what you see in that piece then this conversation isn't going anywhere. Fucking hell.

b_b  ·  4043 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How do you read it? I'm genuinely curious; not being dismissive.

insomniasexx  ·  4043 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Like a victim blaming, slut shaming, piece of shit clickbait full of misinformation and bullshit disguised as "advice."

I think this response pretty well captures my opinion on the piece and the author of said piece.

b_b  ·  4043 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the root of our disagreement (and the wider disagreement fought among many people) is this: I see a crime problem where you see a women's rights problem. When viewed as a crime problem, it's easy to say that there are common sense steps that can be taken to lessen the odds of the crime taking place. However (and what I think I'm starting to see) is that when viewed as a human rights issue, then there is no room for negotiation, as life and liberty (both of which rape obviously infringes on in a dramatic way) are the two most fundamental human rights we have. It's essentially an idealist versus a pragmatist view, I think.

WorLord  ·  4042 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"I see a crime problem where you see a women's rights problem."

Having had this discussion many, many times in my past, I can say with confidence that this is the single best summary I can think of.

The advice is good and necessary but rejected because it is viewed as anti-women's-rights. And were we not discussing crime (something which, in itself, is about the breakdown of the social construct of rights), there might be a point to the protest on behalf of feminism, but as it stands now... there just isn't.

The outrage is understandable but dangerous, especially when it allows one to eschew due caution on principle.