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thundara  ·  4057 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The San Francisco exodus

    Whether the gentrification process is good or bad for neighborhoods, and for the lower-income people who live there, is something that can be debated endlessly.

Man...no. It is definitely a bad thing when you are pushed out of the neighborhood you have lived in all your life because yuppies from all over the country have moved in and driven up the cost of living.





b_b  ·  4057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It is definitely not a bad thing when high income people move into a low income neighborhood. While some people may get displaced, and certainly that isn't fair to them, high earners bring a lot of things that cities need. Two things stick out: firstly, they bring money, and second, they demand security. Many of the inner cities in the US are severely lacking in tax receipts, which affects poor people way more than it affects rich people. Rich people can afford to get their own streets cleaned, send their kids to private schools, pay for trash pickup, etc. Poor people need municipal government to do all of this for them. As municipal governments can't print money (and especially in these times can barely even borrow money--the municipal bond market is in absolute shambles all over the country), the only option they have is to raise revenue. "Gentrification" (I don't like that word, because it has become a derogatory term for an undeniably good thing) is one sure fire way of collecting taxes.

I'm definitely a gentrifier, and an unapologetic one. I pay Detroit around $6,000 in taxes every year (and this doesn't count all the indirect benefits of spending money in the city), which is probably more than 99% of the population here. That money (when it's not going to grease the wheels of some sleazy bureaucrat) helps my neighbors' children get an education, funds the water and electricity that they all enjoy, helps repair roads, keeps the buses running, and on and on. Above all, we don't tolerate crime, and we will badger the police to keep the place safe. It works, as at least in Detroit, the rise of the gentrified neighborhoods correlate perfectly with a sharp drop in crime, despite the fact there are still a lot of poor people around. Should people like me stay away from inner cities because some small groups of people may be uprooted?

iammyownrushmore  ·  4057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If the families and people that would benefit from this economic boost cannot afford to live in the areas being fed by these taxes, who is it benefiting? The people who already bring their own wealth?

There is also the issue (especially in SF and now Oakland) of the effected parties disproportionately being minorities as well and that these changes in landscape are racially exclusive.

I do admit to not having much knowledge of tax distribution in the Bay Area, however, but it is definitely a different situation than Detroit.

b_b  ·  4057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Gentrification typically applies to neighborhoods, not cities. Taxes don't stay in neighborhoods.

iammyownrushmore  ·  4057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People leaving their homes in SF are not moving to other neighborhoods but to other surrounding cities in the Bay. This may be an issue limited to SF in particular, whereas other cities may have larger neighborhoods and boroughs that sprawl, many in the Bay are their own separate cities.

This is where some more knowledge of tax distribution is needed on my part, but it's getting very difficult to be poor and even middle class and reside in San Francisco.