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comment by briandmyers

Well, most nations (as far as I'm aware) do tend to develop two major parties (NZ is an example - we have Labour and National as the two major players). The difference comes about when neither of those two parties is strong enough to rule without forming a coalition with another party or two. For example, in NZ, the Greens usually draw between 7% and 12%, so a Labour/Green coaltion is often feasible. Likewise, National will sometimes court smaller parties like NZ First or ACT for a coalition. The point is that minor parties share power, in proportion to their popular strength. That doesn't happen in the USA - and really can't happen, because of party entrenchment.





cliffelam  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, it can happen from a legal/constitutional framework (see: Dixiecrat) but tends not to.

Please note that I said, without prejudice, "major." I believe the scale/reach paradigm limits comparison between countries with 5M (or 20M) and countries with 300M in most particulars.

-XC

PS - We lived in Oz for a year and loved visiting NZ, a great part of the world. I would never disparage it.

user-inactivated  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

First-past-the-post ensures being a third party rarely works in the States. When it does, they've ended up replacing one of the major parties; the Republicans replacing the Whigs, the Democrats replacing the Democratic-Republicans. That doesn't seem likely to happen in the foreseeable future, though I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans end up looking an awful lot like the Libertarians eventually.

cliffelam  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, to me, the Democrats seem a lot like the Mad Magazine party and the Republicans act like the Jefferson (George and Wheezy) Democrats, so you may be right.

_XC

briandmyers  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've been told that the NZ system is largely based on the modern German government. There's 80 million-odd Germans, and they seem to be doing okay (I could be wrong about that though, I don't follow world politics very closely). People always mention the "scaling problem", but only ever as a way of dismissing the small country. No offense intended - or taken :-)

And it's certainly true that the USA has not always been Dem. vs Rep. - but it has become entrenched, through legislation, over many years. I really don't know the best way to undo that (assuming you'd want to), since it's in neither party's interest of late.

cliffelam  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, considering that Germany spends 1/2 of what the US does on defense and the rest of the EU 1/8th I'm not sure what "good" means in a geopolitical sense. Add to that the 1/16th spending on medical research, 1/8th spending on engineering, etc, etc and what you have is essentially an aging free rider system with a demographic time-bomb waiting to go off.

No thanks, not here if we can avoid it.

_XC

briandmyers  ·  4069 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Examining another country's political systems is one thing. Adopting another country's policies is quite another.