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lil  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Where do I begin to understand James Joyce?

    Should I keep it up?

No.

1. There is so much great literature to read, I don't see the point in keeping at a painful project. ... unless you belong to a fun book club that has vowed to read 20 pages at a time. The Wikipedia summary will provide the main themes.

2. Do read the short story "The Dead" in The Dubliners so that at least you have a little Joyce under your belt. Memorize the last line of that story. It will come in handy during snowfalls or moments when someone is being snotty and you want to remind them of your equality.

3. Agree that Joyce was important in his time for experimentation. If you like experimental prose, there are plenty of modern-day experimenters that you might find more readable.

4. Just in case someone says to you, "yes, yes, I will yes" listen to these excerpts from Molly Bloom's soliloquy that ends the book.

If you must read Joyce, start with A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. I haven't read it yet, but would like to someday.





AnSionnachRua  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    3. Agree that Joyce was important in his time for experimentation. If you like experimental prose, there are plenty of modern-day experimenters that you might find more readable.
This is important. A lot of writers are still considered brilliant because they wrote what they wrote at a particular historical moment.

So something might read as sort of crappy, but at the time it was revolutionary.

I think this is why I found On The Road unremarkable, but so many others thought it was great.

thenewgreen  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I think this is why I found On The Road unremarkable, but so many others thought it was great.
I think On The Road is one of those books that can be wonderful based completely on when you read it. I read it just prior to moving away from home to travel across country and live in Montana. It dovetailed perfectly with where I was at and what I was doing. I doubt I'd find it nearly as compelling if I read it for the first time now.
user-inactivated  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes all of this -- esp. start with Portrait. It's shorter and I didn't like it that much, but it's a quickish read.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Dubliners is my favorite of Joyce's work. I've read that, Portrait of an Artist..., and parts of Ulysses, and the short stories are the only ones I felt compelled to finish purely out of interest. Joyce is super dense, and there's a lot of other reading to be done if you're not enjoying it.

Dubliners is, in my mind, fantastic. Especially The Dead, as you have already stated.

blackbootz  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I read first parts above the embedded video, and it seemed natural to read it quickly through, as if the lack of punctuation compels me to talk without stop. And I got a feel for the ecstasy of a neurotic woman being proposed to by someone who understands her and she says yes, yes, I will yes.

I'll settle for knowing about something if I can't know it proper, like reading the wikipedia summary of Ulysses, but I feel that's a poor stand-in for truly knowing. I'm tired of reading an abstract of everything, I feel like I'm missing out too much. I think a good idea is to keep reading, pushing the limits of your understanding, and maybe I'll be able to enjoy Joyce in the future.

lil  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    but I feel that's a poor stand-in for truly knowing
of course it's a poor stand-in for being so grabbed by a book that it must be finished ... but if the first 100 or 200 pages don't grab you and it's a slog, I don't see how reading on will give you a feeling of getting why other people were grabbed by it.

I see that one of your favourite books is The Unbearable Lightness of Being. I bought it and got about half-way through, but it didn't really compel me to read on. I will pick it up again as people keep talking about it, but I still do not understand the lure of it.

It's possible that the books that I couldn't put down are put-downable by someone else. For example, I was completely taken by Oracle Nights and The Brooklyn Follies by Paul Auster. I recommended them to a friend and she was turned off/disgusted by his use of the word Chinaman - I think - to describe a man who owned a book store. Whoops -

blackbootz  ·  4079 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll look into those. Thanks lil