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To be fair, "a third place" was one of mk's original visions for Hubski. This is one of the points of contention with new users: every time we have them, they demand that the place meet their expectations, rather than what the place is. Those of us who were here early have now been here ten years. Obviously we need young new blood in order to keep from becoming a Moose Lodge but at the same time, being dictated to never makes anybody happy. And as with any venue, as the clientele shifts so does the character.