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deanSolecki  ·  3414 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Oppressed Rulers of the Games Industry

    Okay, so the women who say that the industry isn't the misogynistic wasteland described by other women then are invalid experiences in your opinion?
You've really paraphrased me poorly, I think you'll have to admit. "almost ubiquitous negative experiences" is not the same as "misogynistic wasteland."

There are a lot of great guys in tech. I know a lot of them. But it only takes a 1/4 or a 1/3 of the male population in STEM (broadly speaking) to turn women off on subjects that they have an innate desire to pursue. And this is the crowd talking about how women's experiences don't matter. I never said no women have positive experiences in STEM. I never said most women have primarily negative experiences in tech. I said women in stem "have almost ubiquitously had negative experiences in tech." How about the first study I found in a google search? Don't like that one? Look at the next one. Don't like that one? Look at the next one. Don't play stupid. It's irritating that you're pretending that what everyone knows isn't the case. A lot of women have bad experiences in tech. There are entire industries built on white men being upset about the few issues that they face. Nothing like conservative talk radio exists on the feminist end of the spectrum; nothing even remotely close.

Every one of your points you yourself likely know are defenseless.

Technology, and STEM, belongs to everyone. The transition to a more open field, from discipline to discipline, is going to be ugly, petty, and depressing.

But I think that 2/3 or 3/4 of men that genuinely want STEM to be a better place for women is going to win out over the bitching and moaning from a small minority of moral/mental truants.

And even if I'm wrong, I think women will manage to make their way one way or the other.

It's sad to see so much hysterical opposition from people who have nothing to lose by simply being decent, no matter how it turns out.