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kleinbl00  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Freakonomics » The World’s Most Expensive Photograph
Watch it soon. Netflix likes to play "the amazing disappearing movie" trick.

Things really start getting interesting once Banksy shows up. Give it at least that long.





scarp  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I just finished watching it. The trailer really doesn't do it justice at all.

I'm still trying to process what I just took in, but my immediate response is to feel confused, disillusioned, and completely unsurprised. It reminds me of a passage from Don DeLillo's novel, White Noise, in which the protagonist visits "The Most Photographed Barn in America."

http://www.downwindproductions.com/barn.html

It's part of the culture, now, to inflate the meanings of things by fashioning icons of them. And once people are convinced of a thing's iconic status, it forms its own metaphysical value completely out of nothing. If something seems important, it must be important. And this separate double identity self perpetuates until it obscures the actual thing, and we're no longer celebrating it for its merits but for its fabricated importance.

Thanks for recommending the film; I really like it.

kleinbl00  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Part of my affinity for that film likely comes from seeing all the art mentioned around; I live in Los Angeles. You see "stupid street art" on a regular basis. That goddamn Andre the Giant thing is fuckin' everywhere.

Then to discover that - holy shit - that stupid dude with the video camera is part of some bloody phenomenon that ends up on a Madonna cover...

Part of my annoyance with the art world comes from the fact that they're consistently pricing shit way the hell out of my range. I decided in about 2002 that I wanted an Yves Klein (surprise surprise). I'd go with a print, but International Klein Blue is outside the gamut of most printing methods, so you need an original. At the time, you could get a Klein original for ~$4k for something small and non-noteworthy. The same thing I couldn't afford for $4k in 2002? Yeah, the very piece I didn't buy is now $400k.

Don't get me started on Magritte. I almost bought a numbered edition in 2001 for $1800.

scarp  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Do you collect a lot of art, or is it an occasional thing? Can't say I'm familiar with that world. The only art I've ever bought was a small $15 landscape at a local flea market.
kleinbl00  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I like pretty pictures.

I reached a point in my life where the pretty pictures needed frames.

Then I reached a point in my life where the pretty pictures needed mats and frames.

Now we're talking $200 just to frame the stupid thing; might as well be worth something.

thenewgreen  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
It's an amazing film. A while back we had quite the street art dialogue going here on Hubski. Someone recommended Exit Through The Gift Shop to me. It remains one of my favorite films I've watched all year. You can't make shit like Mr. Brainwash up.

Watch it soon, for sure. Banksy is hilarious. Enjoy!

Also, I'm pretty sure it's all on youtube in 8 parts if Netflix has removed it.

b_b  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Agreed. I loved it. Even if MBW were made up, it would still be as good. On a tangential topic, here in Det we've had a few Banksys destroyed. Very sad.
thenewgreen  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
bummer about the Banksy's but that's the nature of street art, right? It's fleeting.
b_b  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
fleeting, yes, but a banksy isn't a normal piece of street art. there was one left of three that were originally here, and some guys removed it from its original place to bring it to their gallery. a lot of people gave them flak, saying that they "stole" it, but according to them, they were protecting a great work of art from certain destruction. difficult situation, and i can see both sides of it.
thenewgreen  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I'm not sure it belongs in a gallery. It would be like seeing a stuffed animal on a wall. Does it look cool? Sure. Would it look better in it's natural environment? Absolutely.

Also, it takes away the whole, "I've seen a Banksy" aspect. The fleeting nature is one of the aspects that makes it great, like a meteor shower or a "murmuration".

I also like that street art evolves as the surrounding evolve.

I can see both sides too but think I more "anti"-gallery.

b_b  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
in principle, i agree that street art belongs where it was created. the surroundings are a part of the piece itself, and to take away the context is to completely change the meaning (and the value) of the piece.

the dynamic here is a little nuanced, however. there is a big struggle in detroit between preservationists and those who want to tear everything down and erase the memory of the failed past. most of the younger crowd--those who are repopulating the city, including the owners of 555 Gallery who now possess the Banksy--fall on the side of preservation; most of the city's establishment fall on the side of "progress" (for lack of a better word).

This was best embodied by a big fight over Tiger Stadium, which was involved in a court battle for years, but the site now sits as a fenced in vacant lot. The Banksy was moved, I think, so that in the future, when all of the court battle are lost and the whole city is a vacant lot, there will be a reminder that there used to be something cool here.

Or, the cynical view is that they saw a piece by a famous artist that was free for the taking, and they wanted to increase traffic to their gallery. That can't be discounted.

thenewgreen  ·  4761 days ago  ·  link  ·  
The cynic in me assumes the latter.