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user-inactivated  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Slightly more people congregate on the day *after* Trump's inauguration: in pictures (NYT)

Maybe it is me being cranky from a headache and lack of sleep, but these pictures piss me off. They should fill me with hope, but they don't. Where the FUCK were all these people 6 months ago when Bernie was being shafted? Where were all these people in October when Hillary was starting to waver? Where were all these people in November when voter turnout was at a 20 year low? we got a fuckwit here in Kentucky because voter turn out was 25% when he got elected. Low voter turnout gives you shitheels like Trump. So, where were all these people?

Mark my words. Over the next six months the Trump people and the Republican Congress are going to do some regressive vile shit. And people are going to throw their hands up and say "hey man I marched back in January!" And then sit on facebook and twitter and bitch, but not make calls, not go to the local ACA rally etc.

I'm having a deep crisis of self over this shit. The ACLU announced it is going to focus its efforts on reproductive health issues over the next four years. This is what they have done for the last 30 and we have all but lost the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth not to mention that the Seventh and Eighth Amendments might as well not exist because most people don't know or care what they are. The First Amendment is still hanging in there, but it is starting to look like Swiss cheese. Reproductive rights are important, and they should be fought for (why are we still fighting this shit again?) but if you don't have a right to privacy or speech what good with that do you? I give the ACLU a decent amount of money every month. Been doing that since I could afford to. After the last donor call where they called and asked me what I wanted them to focus on, I said "end the war on drugs." I was told that was not in the mission statement. the kid on the other end of the phone call was polite, but I felt like I was being taken advantage of for a paycheck and they did not really give a fat flying fuck about what I want out of the organization.

I'm going to sit on this and let it noodle in my head, but realistically my payment in February is probably going to be my last. That money is going to go to the EFF instead.

Sorry for the rant, did not mean to hijack your thread.





kleinbl00  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So the most optimistic estimation I've seen of all the marches everywhere is 7.5 million people.

66 million people voted for Clinton.

I know you're pissed, and I know why. But make no mistake: the people marching are pissed, too.

Mobilization shouldn't give you a crisis of faith. There's a whole bunch of people - myself included - that trusted in the system. That trust is gone now.

This march? That's a bunch of distrustful people coming together. This is how revolutions happen. Turn that frown upside down and recognize that when three times as many people come out to protest trump as came out to inaugurate him, you can pretty much guess which side has the fair-weather activists.

goobster  ·  2868 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This brings up a funny thought I had recently... what would a Republican protest look like?

I imagine it'd look like rush hour. A thousand BMW and C-class Mercedes, parked on the street in downtown, with the windows up and air conditioning blasting, drivers furiously tweeting out Trump re-tweets.

user-inactivated  ·  2868 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is not a photoshop. The people you talk about write checks and write stories for Fox News and you will never see them congregate in public.

user-inactivated  ·  2868 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

From u/ragnarockette over on Reddit.

Devac  ·  2868 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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jadedog  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is MIchael Moore's speech at the women's march.

He gave everyone a to do list. He's instructing the crowd to call their congressmen every day to let them know their thoughts. He gave the number (202) 225-3121.

He's giving a list of things people will tell their congressmen to do. I suppose people could make their own list.

He's also instructing people to join groups like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and lists others.

He says it works and that when the administration tried to get rid of the Congressional Office of Ethics, people called and flooded the phone. He says that they pulled back from closing down the office.

dublinben  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't know where you live, but ending the drug war is the top priority for my local ACLU chapter. They've been pushing it as the primary civil rights issue of our time for years now. I'm quite proud of them actually, because it's a hard sell for their majority white, wealthy membership, since the issue predominantly affects lower income people of color.

user-inactivated  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    After the last donor call where they called and asked me what I wanted them to focus on, I said "end the war on drugs." I was told that was not in the mission statement. the kid on the other end of the phone call was polite, but I felt like I was being taken advantage of for a paycheck and they did not really give a fat flying fuck about what I want out of the organization.

I do not know how the ACLU operates, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here. In their defense, even their resources are limited and the war on drugs is a contoversial issue. They probably want to have as much impact as possible, so supporting things like the rights of women, gays, and minorities (Lord, I can't believe this is still an issue), ammendment issues, due process, etc. are probably the direction they want to go in because that's where they believe they can do the most good.

Specialized organizations like the EFF are specialized for a reason. So for those of us who have issues of particular concern, they can be very good resources, provided they're on the up and up.

johnnyFive  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Pretty much this. I wouldn't be half as worried about this if there were a viable opposition.

I think the truth is that people disliked Hillary, but also severely underestimated Trump's chances of winning. To most of the country it seemed safe to stay home, since there's no possible way that Trump could actually win, right?

But remember how pathetic the Democrats' opposition was to W? Or to the Republicans in Congress when they had the White House? I'm consistently amazed at the Democrats' singular ability not to have their shit together. They passed the ACA by a thread, and have been demonized for it. People are only now realizing that hey, maybe repealing it isn't a good idea, but the Democrats have been at best incidental to that.

Good call on the donations. Grabbing some EFF swag as we speak (with a donation on top).

oyster  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think on one hand some people did underestimate him but we also have to remember she did actually get more votes. I think travelling for an inauguration is less of a priority than traveling for your rights is as well.

johnnyFive  ·  2869 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you're right, and thank God for that--it means we may still have a recognizable country once Trump is through with it.