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kleinbl00  ·  2962 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: WikiLeaks poisons Hillary’s relationship with left

Citation needed?

    “We were already kind of suspicious of where Hillary’s instincts were, but now we see that she is who we thought she was,” said one influential liberal Democratic operative. “The honeymoon is going to be tight and small and maybe nonexistent,” the operative said.

'k, so that doesn't really support the headline. What else we got?

    Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri dodged a question on Tuesday about whether Podesta had apologized for calling Sanders a “doofus.” Instead, she declared “we're really grateful for all the support that Sen. Sanders has given us.”

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN WE HAVE A DOOFUSGATE

    For RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of the National Nurses Union, though, the emails reveal the true feelings of Clinton’s team toward progressives and their causes, and suggest that if Clinton wins the White House, she won’t be on their side.

    “If the WikiLeaks are accurate, the issues closest to our hearts are probably not ones she will embrace, like single payer,” said DeMoro, whose union drew fire from Clinton’s team in the primary when it campaigned aggressively for Sanders.

So.... you campaigned aggressively for their primary opponent, and you've been shown emails that indicates they're annoyed with you.

    But liberal activists spent the week sharing WikiLeaks links of hacked emails in which Clinton and her aides appeared to argue the virtues of more centrist policy positions.

    Tanden in one email warned against embracing a $15 federal minimum wage championed by Sanders, while Sullivan called supporters of the proposal “the Red Army.”

    In an email released Thursday, Sullivan argued that Clinton should come out in support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP trade deal, while another email indicated that both he and Podesta favored a provision giving Obama authority to negotiate the TPP.

    Clinton herself was revealed by WikiLeaks to have raved privately about the TPP before eventually publicly opposing it under pressure from Sanders and the liberal base.

I love how everyone is losing their shit over the fact that the Clinton camp changes their fucking minds. Isn't that the whole point of protesting and calling and petitioning and shit?

    Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.” CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work.

Let's be honest - who is actually surprised that someone in Hillary Clinton's camp called Bernie Sanders a doofus? More importantly, who is actually offended?

The first president I voted for was accused on national television of having his deputy white house counsel assassinated so that his secret drug-running airstrips in Arkansas wouldn't be exposed. Now everyone's getting all twitterpated that one of his wife's campaign staff called her primary opponent a doofus and that she got paid to tell the Vampire Squid that you need a public and a private position if you want to get shit done.

You can pretend to be surprised that the Clinton camp runs like a political machine. But I tend to find that the ones griping about Trump's lack of filter are the same ones griping about Clinton's filter and when you ask them if they want anything or anyone who's actually available for the job, what you get is "Jill Stein, but not this year's model, I want the 2012 model."





WanderingEng  ·  2962 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Let's be honest - who is actually surprised that someone in Hillary Clinton's camp called Bernie Sanders a doofus? More importantly, who is actually offended?

Based on my career, the only thing that surprises me is they put it in an email. My assumption is everything I write down could be read by someone who wants to use it against me or my company. It can be a fine line to write useful emails without too many CYAs, but it can be done.

Calling people doofuses is reserved for talking.

kleinbl00  ·  2962 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree with you, but my experience has been that certain industries are more rough'n'tumble than others with email etiquette and that the older you are, the less likely you are to understand the likelihood that what you say will become public.

John Podesta is 67.

user-inactivated  ·  2962 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think that for most of her career Democrats didn't have to compromise with the left, only with the right, and that looks to be changing. So no, I don't think anyone is surprised or offended, but I'm hopeful that those Democrats at least a little further left than Reagan was will get some mileage out of it.