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DarkLinkXXXX  ·  3452 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Call for transphobic contributer to be removed from open source project.

I don't really understand their POV. Can't a project accept free labor while also not condoning his actions?





rob05c  ·  3450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel obligated to play devil's advocate, since no one else here wants to defend the other side, or even acknowledge it's validity.

The argument is, no, a project can't accept work without condoning one's public character. If someone publicly says "I'm a developer on this project, and trans people are bad," that associates that project with their bigotry. It not only makes people reading those statements assume that the project itself supports that hateful position, but worse, it makes anyone of the discriminated class feel unwelcome. Can you honestly imagine a trans person feeling comfortable using or contributing to that product, now?

Your statement parallels the debate in the thread, which can be summarised as: "are projects code or people?" The contributor in the thread argues projects are code, and do not involve any human element. Which is approaching clinical sociopathy. Code doesn't create itself. Projects don't exist in a vacuum. Humans work on projects. Together. And when one of those humans is publicly hateful toward a class, members of that class with healthy, natural levels of empathy are not going to feel comfortable working with them, at the very least.

Beyond alienating members of the community, as you say, it is condoning his actions. To accept someone's work is to accept them, and on some level to tell the world "it's okay to be transphobic, we'll still take your work!" After WWII, the US employed numerous Nazi scientists and engineers, many of whom had committed war crimes. Such actions send an unequivocal message to the scientists of the world that they can do heinous things and aid and abet genocidal maniacs, and the US government will gladly employ them. Now, a transphobic tweet isn't quite the same as a war crime. But the message and effects are the same; they only differ in degree.

To be clear, I'm not sure which side I agree with. But I certainly believe the argument is valid. And accepting the work of a transphobic contributor will make people in the trans community feel hated and unwelcome. That's a fact, not an opinion. And I tend to think there's something wrong with that.

low_ho_fosho  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm... that's an interesting point. I feel like if this guy was a CEO or someone with authority over employees, then he should resign, because he would have power over other people and his antisocial views would contribute to a less productive workplace. But if this is just a random guy helping out, just like all the other people helping out, and no one is really committed to stay with the project in the first place, then maybe the project should live or die based on whether or not people are willing to continue working with him.

It's like if a charity denied a contribution from a wealthy donor because the donor is homophobic. Should the charity really care who the money comes from?

That said, I'm not entirely sure what it's like working on a project like this, maybe I don't understand the dynamics.

Grendel  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Everyone has views that can be labeled "antisocial" by someone else. Using this logic, nobody should be allowed to be CEO. I don't see how a CEO's personal views would make the workplace less productive, provided that he kept them to himself.

rob05c  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Can't a project accept free labor while also not condoning his actions?

That would be the debate.