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tacocat  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Things I Can Say About MFA Writing Programs Now That I No Longer Teach In One

Passion is a big part of it but a passion that ignores being shut down constantly but not giving up isn't a thing that develops late in life for many. What kind of a person decides to devote all their free time to something like art when they have adult responsibilities?

This kind actually. He's one of my favorite writers. He also flat out says he had no talent when he started and I believe him due to the unusual route he took to being an acclaimed but obscure author.

I agree with him and the author of the article even though it's contradictory. No one is born anything but to even seriously try to be anything as improbably difficult as a working artist, author or musician, you usually have to get the naive idea that you can succeed or the entrenched love of something like that very early.

Arts in academia are bizarre. Don't go to art school, don't major in creative writing. Go live and gather material along the way that will actually give you something to say. Move to a city and survive even if you don't know anyone. Volunteer at a mental hospital.

Don't ramble on the internet like this as it's very counterproductive.





graphictruth  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

>Don't ramble on the internet like this as it's very counterproductive.

And yet, here we are....

coffeesp00ns  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Arts in academia are bizarre. Don't go to art school, don't major in creative writing. Go live and gather material along the way that will actually give you something to say. Move to a city and survive even if you don't know anyone. Volunteer at a mental hospital.

I think that higher education is useful, but not in the method that universities in North America currently operate. the "well rounded" education does little but fuck you over in the arts, in my opinion. Those who are inclined to have a broad education will seek it out anyways, and foisting it upon everyone else is a dumb idea.

Studying with someone, in music at least, is a crucial part of woodshedding. they keep you on track, and they keep you honest. They call you on your shit, and make you better.

tacocat  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In a public university setting it's almost useless. Most people are there to stamp their adulthood card because they're expected to go to university. The schools offer arts programs to seem well rounded but really to get as much money from tuition as possible. Talk to a program director about funding if you want to say "Well, it costs the school money to run those programs."

There's not really a system in place that can develop young artists. Visual art apprenticeships are still a (rare) thing. Writers, musicians, actors, you're all shit out of luck in regards to mentorship that could help you earn money and develop a career.

I guess you could go back to the hyper selective academy system from 150 years ago or so, but a lot of talented people who would be overlooked in that system for actually being able to expand a medium.

If what's going on now does one thing well it weeds out the people who aren't committed if you want to look at it that way.

user-inactivated  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I guess you could go back to the hyper selective academy system from 150 years ago or so, but a lot of talented people who would be overlooked in that system for actually being able to expand a medium.

Back when I was seriously considering studying art (in the early 2000s) there were a lot of attempts to do just that. I haven't kept up, but at least a few are still around. I have no idea whether they've been successful, but it has at least been tried.

tacocat  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Woman who I work with went here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Academy_of_the_Fine_Arts

From what she says it sounds like a traditional education in art with some modernity in there

OftenBen  ·  3546 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think music education in college should be mandatory.

I've gotten so much out of choir in college, I definitely produced the highest quality of music in my entire life last semester during chamber choir and the satisfaction is indescribable. I can't imagine how you must feel!